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ok, looks like I caught a glimpse of people withdrawing so I''ll try to join in 2 minutes
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sorry about this Berz
try it now
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Now!"Old age and skill will overcome youth and treachery. "
*deity of THE DEITIANS*
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ok, I'll be here waiting for the signal to join. Looks like I'm going to have to dl icq tonight. It's frozen, just sits there and the box wont come up by either double clicking or thru the start prompt.Comment
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da,mn nothing but problems today ...GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71Comment
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the signal is now
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woohoo .. finally we all go t itGM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71Comment
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Today's session involved an attack across the entire map. Units from South Africa were diploguided across 15,000 miles of teritory. Cities were ceded left and right. The game essientally game to a standstill as my empire was helpless against this method of attack, since it is against the rules I assumed the game was based upon.
Diploguiding was to be banned/limited. There was no one standing up to diploguilding. Even if it was only to be limited, the creation of an advanced attack force, moved so far, and around so many obsticals could not have been the intention of those starting the game, or previous diplo games where diploguiding had been banned.
Diploguiding is banned for the following reasons.
1) To give fortresses some strategic value within the game.
2) Keep rail networks from being abused. Both allied, and non-allied.
3) The tactic fails to meet any tests of realism, which diplo gaming attempts to bring to the game.
Because of this fact, players were able to manipulate game conditions, which essientally destroyed the game scenario.
As to the question of cedeing cities, as a possible justification for diploguiding. Cedeing cities, even amongst allies, results in the destruction of the happiness improvements in the city. While the results may be exactly the same, the damage must be suffered by both sides if this tactic is to be adhered to.
Cedeing cities solely for the purpose of allowing a 2 continent wide assault, in and of itself, smells of unrealism, and goes against the purpose of diplo gaming, which is not to manipulate the raw game features diplomacy allows for double moves, limitless rail travel across rail networks that otherwise would not support them, etc......it is about real treatries and independent fighting on the fronts available to a player without manipulating the system.Comment
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all these things occured throughout the game, but none were a problem till frank was at the brunt of the attack..
if diplo gduind and city ceding were the problem then he should hav ebrought it up much ealrier.GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71Comment
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It is impossible to confirm any of these acts untill you are smashed by them. I don't oppose city cedeing except in its unrealistic nature. I just demand you give up all the cities required to take the action without diploguiding, and not attempt to dodge those results.
I'm not under any requirement to stand up for other's rights with circumstantual evidense, and that stance doesn't take away my right to defend my self from those attacks.Comment
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well deity got a whole chain of citys in asia so didnt need diplo guiding thorugh tha tpart.. not sure about thorugh t your territory..GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71Comment
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Well, I lost connection and can't get back in. I suggest we save after Frank or Ozzy and I'll try to track down a new version of ICQ.Comment
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We save as soon as deity finishes his move.Comment
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I lost connection too. Can't get back in.Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - RahComment
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Can someone post a final save?
We should probably test out the save sometime during the week to avoid problems when the session starts next week. Make sure its uncorrupted.
Once the save is up I can make up one of my dandy maps. Raz, you need to do another animation of them all. Especially with the... developments...from last session.Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - RahComment
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