[PBEM] Europe Classic 4

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by GeoModder
Something else, perhaps regarding bugs.
I could track the deal between g_storrow and Sabrewolf the turn before already in the F4 screen, and there was this quote with Math under Sabre that he "cannot trade Math". So this looked like a ingame protection against trading techs the turn you receive it. But when the trade between me and g_storrow was done, at this same turn I could offer it already on.

not a bug, it's a feature. i've seen three types of this:

1) you might have noticed that when you end your turn, your cities build grow, build, etc. and the research continues, sometimes finishing a tech. in such a situations the games gives doesn't allow others to trade that with you until you actually get the next turn. i'm not quite sure why it is like this, but i like knowing that i built the pyramids, founded buddism, etc.

2) in single player, if you buy/trade a tech from the AI player, you cannot immediately trade it further. this is a means to prevent exploiting AI trades against eachother. in civ3 you could buy a tech as soon as the AI had it and then sell it to all other civs making shîtloads of money/other techs with the trade.

3) again in single player, if you bought/traded a tech (let's say alphabet), then you couldn't immediately get something following it (eg. construction, calendar, currency). i presume this prevents you of extorting AI civs that have a tech lead upon you but less military. you could go just researching military techs and bully the AI to give you back all. in civ3 this was similar in single trades, but you could still trade multiple "levels" in the same turn

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by GeoModder
Better to have it sorted out with a bang early on then a fogged game later on, I would say.

true

on a similar topic: should we agree on the detail of combat reports?
check from civ3 point 4: http://apolyton.net/forums//showthre...94#post3725894

[Dauphin]

Ok, turn resent sans Maths trade. Fortunately only a single turn to replay.

No harm, no foul.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
first of all, sorry if it sounded like i was accusing geomodder of dirty play. i meant it as a provocative start into my email. the rest however was meant.

Don't worry, my skin is thicker then that.
And I'm not completely innocent either, I simply like stirring things up too much.
If someone wants to get insight on my "methods", I'll link you to a turn thread of a SMACX PBEM last year.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
on a similar topic: should we agree on the detail of combat reports?
check from civ3 point 4: http://apolyton.net/forums//showthre...94#post3725894

My, Civ3 multiplay was "regulated"...

In any case, battle reports are easily seen in Civ4. Just check the combat log if a unit went "missing in action".
Personally, I slightly lean over to "gloating" in my civ/faction achievements.

[sabrewolf]

0720bc to geomodder

[g_storrow]

Originally posted by sabrewolf


true

on a similar topic: should we agree on the detail of combat reports?
check from civ3 point 4: http://apolyton.net/forums//showthre...94#post3725894

Does this mean if we attack something and won we tell the other person in an email or put it in this thread?

[sabrewolf]

that was the idea. but geomodder is correct, the combat log is good enough (although it may be nice to know which units where )

cheers

[GeoModder]

Forwarded.

As on the combat matter. I thought there were popups (top left corner of the screen) on what happened last turn, so combat as well?

[g_storrow]

so have we been getting pop-ups already cos I have not noticed any.

[GeoModder]

Sorry, with popups I mean that the log plays off each turn in that little spot on the gamescreen. "Real" popups only happen with completion of wonders, and stuff regarding victories.

In SMAC, the first player of a given turn was the one who saw all the popups, and was obliged to tell the other players about it since they wouldn't see them. I suppose it's the same in Civ4, for I haven't had any warning onscreen which civ received what religion in those early turns.

[Dauphin]

I'm last man, and the only thing I get to see are the barbs move. I certainly didn't get notification of religions being founded.

Turn to g.

[sabrewolf]

0680bc to geo

[GeoModder]

Dauphin, work to do!

[Dauphin]

?

Onwards.