Aegean Team Game: Thread #2

[sabrewolf]

until you have new players the two BF civs should be booted out to at least let the AI take over. otherwise the units are just standing around idly - making that continent an even easier pick for Geo than with alleged double-moves

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
...making that continent an even easier pick for Geo...

[Andydog]

Originally posted by dacole


I have to say as far as I am concerned that is ridiculous. If it takes that much work to play these games fairly then the fun dissapears. I can keep track of who has played because I am running the game and when but if you are playing the game I do not know how you can.

The point you make is valid, and I do understand the dilemma between fairness (i.e. no double moves) and having to make a double move because one can't wait any longer for the other player.

In my experience, this doesn't often occur. As Beta mentioned, it is only relevant during war. All I am advocating is that one takes reasonable steps to avoid double moves. For example, in the past I've agreed not to make my moves until my opponent has ended his turn (i.e. a '*' appears next to his name). If on the rare occasion my opponent hasn’t made his move, and I need to go to bed, then I'll send a quick email an hour or two beforehand reminding him/her that time is running out.

That is not something I see as being an "amazing hassle" at all. IMHO, I do believe that a little bit of extra effort such as that to keep things fair will ensure the longevity of the game and its enjoyment for all.

Now, any chance of a civstats password??

[Andydog]

Originally posted by GeoModder

Andydog seems to assume I came in on 1140 AD, landed troops, and assaulted on 1150 AD. This is absolutely not the case.

Apologies Geo if I misread the circumstances. All I was going on at that time was the strength of yours and BigFree's comments, and the evidence of the CivStats turn log. It looked then as if that is exactly what happened, and as you said, that would have been cheating.

[snoopy369]

Automoves occur not at the start of the turn, nor at the end of the turn, unless you fail to log in.

Automoves occur when the last mobile unit has expended its move points, and even before this if you 'wait' or otherwise skip over units. Unless you fail to log in or fail to process your move queue, the automove units occur in the middle of the turn.

When your turn starts, there is a unit queue, consisting of:
1. All units not on automove, in the reverse order they ended their turns last turn (give or take).
2. All units on automove.

Those units are then brought to your attention in that order; if you skip them or otherwise cause them not to come up in that order, no problem, they get sent to the end of the queue.

So, for example, you have 4 units:
Archer
Axeman
Scout
Chariot

Turn 1, you more archer manualy, then you set scout on autoexplore, then you tell chariot to move five turns away, then you move the axeman manually.

Next turn it will be:
Axeman
Archer
(Chariot Automove)
(Scout Automove)

If you were to hit W on the axeman, or 'enter' (cycle units), you would then bring up the Archer. Move him one. Then the chariot and scout should automove, and then you can bring up the axeman again to move him. (I'm fairly sure about the 'W' sending it after automoves, though I do it very infrequently so i'm not 100% sure). You could then log out, leaving your turn unended, and the automoves would have happened.

Second scenario, same setup as the first. Turn 2 begins, same order; you move the axeman and then log out. The automove units stay in place, and won't move until you log in again and move the archer, or the turn ends.

There's no way you could forbid automoving in PTBS; it's too vital for those people who have a risk of not playing a turn for any reason. Automove will not permit combat as far as I know, so this shouldn't cause any 'double move' problems, and even if it did cause combat, it won't execute until end-of-turn.

This does bring up only one exploitable situation: if you don't play one turn, and your units automove into position to attack, and then the next turn you log in early. It's simply answered: Don't log in early if you know your units automoved into an attack position (or don't use them, at least, early in the turn). That's identical to a normal double move situation in that your move was considered to be the very end of the previous turn.

Does that make sense?

[Andydog]

That makes perfect sense snoopy, cheers for that!

One question - if two units owned by two players at war happen to automove onto the same tile, who attacks who? Does the person first in the turn order occupy the tile and defend with the other attacking?

[sabrewolf]

i cannot answer your question, except that if both players are automoving during wartime, then something is seriously wrong with that specific game

[Beta]

Game Status

Thanks snoop. Great explanation.

And yes - for the reasons mentioned - I would think automoves near the front-lines should be avoided by warring parties.

Now to game status. Got a PM from Daniel (dacole) asking me to keep you informed. He is still working on getting his PC cleaned up. I told him to give it one more try before we start looking for a replcement host.

We also need to come up with two new players to replace BF and MrBoo. Andy has suggested Keygen - who is a reliable player. Others?

I invited RobW and FeMme, but their civ plates are full right now.

[sabrewolf]

regarding the hosting: i have bought the barebone server, but am nowhere close to having it installed. maybe in a month or so, but not earlier...

[snoopy369]

I can probably host the game temporarily if needed, though I'd be mildly concerned about the virus/trojan ... I suppose if you upload the save here (rather than emailing it) it should be safe.

Keygen seems reasonable to me...

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Andydog
That makes perfect sense snoopy, cheers for that!

One question - if two units owned by two players at war happen to automove onto the same tile, who attacks who? Does the person first in the turn order occupy the tile and defend with the other attacking?

Automoves don't attack. They cancel if they are going to attempt to occupy a tile they can't occupy without attacking. I'm not entirely sure who would get there first, but I think it is the person who moves first in turn-order, yes. The other person would just not move, afaik.

[Wittlich]

Well, I for one don't know what the heck is going on...I'm just trying to get back into the game in order to take my civ back from the AI control!

So I guess on that note, I will just stand by and wait for all of the dust to settle.

[Wittlich]

Oh! And with that last posting, I've finally reached DEITY status!

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Wittlich
Oh! And with that last posting, I've finally reached DEITY status!

to become a deity?
What am I saying? Welcome in the club!

[dacole]

update

Ok update on computer status.

Those who want to follow can do so here:

http://www.techsupportforum.com/security-center/hijackthis-log-help/212945-vundo-adclicker-removal-assistiance-logs-attached.html#post1273305

(How do I word wrap things I wonder)

Anyway have posted and gone through the five pages of things they want me to do before I post...gah that took a long time. Anyway now I just wait and see what they tell me to do next...

I will keep you informed. At some point I'm going to have to go back and read through all the crap that happened when I wasn't able to keep up with the thread. I really find it hard to believe Geo would cheat though.