Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Story Thread 11 - August 2011]

[Inca (DoE)]

The Inca aren't sure that the Indians ever bothered to thank them for successfully mediating their dispute with Rus, so we see little reason to get involved now and strain further diplomatic relations and put in further effort to assist them again. We can't seem to get peace between countries in our own hemisphere, so working on a peace with a country that isn't even a Pacific power seems ridiculous now.

[Inca (DoE)]

The Inca Design Corporation has merged with the Inca Architects Guild to form Creative Constructions. The new company is looking to expand overseas, and if anyone would like to volunteer a city for a branch location, we would love to find an agreement with you. Each branch carries benefits in cultural output and productive output for its host city, and we only ask for a fairly small set of tax breaks, infrastructure, and free utilities for such benefits.

If your city has iron, copper, marble, or stone, we'd love to talk!

[Vikings (DoE)]

[OOC] To Arabia: No insult was intended and I answered you in-game which was where you sent your communique. The previous leader of the Arabs allowed movement through your territory to pay the debt I owed to India.

Side note: I'm not ever trading anything with India again. All it has brought me is grief from other nations who hate India, when all I'm doing is fulfilling my side of a bargain made before any war.

[Arabia2 (doe)]

That message we have never received, but we accept your word for it. We would had allowed your troop movements as we honor Arabia's old agreements. We ask all nations that let us know before you send military units to our territory or we might reconsider our open border treaties.

King Abdus

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Message to China and Inca:

To China:

As the mediator of the Japan-India conflict, I must step forward and offer an explanation for this recent misunderstanding.

The treaty signed by all three nations, China, India, and Japan, required that during the war period, neither Japan, nor India would recieve units from outside nations. India was concerned that Japan's allies would rush to send vast navies to Japan before the treaty was signed, so India insisted on a condition that would bar, or limit this. what was agreed upon, was that Japan could recieve ONLY a few ships that had been previously promised and nothing else. This was the only exception provided for in the treaty.

However, AFTER the treaty had been amended and put into force, India sent me a message where they confirmed that they were agreeing to the treaty, and then made a remark about Viking units that Vikings owed them. India did not request that these units be made part of the treaty, and they apparently did not inform the other nations about it. Nor did I, as at that point the treaty was signed and I did not want to 'upset the sugar-dates cart' as we say here in Turkey.

What I think happened, is that India was unhappy about Japan getting the ships, but felt they had no choice but to agree to the treaty. So rather than risk losing the treaty, by bringing up the Viking units to the other nations or demanding to include the Viking units in the treaty, India chose to mention the units to me in passing, in the hopes that this would have the same effect as including the units in the treaty.

So the fact, is that in taking units from Valhalla, India has violated the treaty it signed, because that treaty made no mention whatsoever about allowing India to take Viking units. The treaty did allow Japan to recive some ships owed, but did NOT allow India to recieve units.

Consequently, I would like to personally take responsibility for the misunderstanding over the Viking Riflemen. What I suggest, is that China stay her mighty hand, and allow India to either temporarily transfer the Viking Riflemen to Arabian control until the end of the agreed war-period, or to allow India to keep these Rifleman, as the transfer was mentioned beforehand.

Alternatively, we can speak privately on this matter and try to reach some alternative solution, but either way, we would ask China not to get involved yet, and to allow India and Japan to complete the War period as I believe they both intend to without further outside interference. As for how China deals with Valhalla, this is a seperate issue and none of our concern, as Vikings were warned publicly not to interefere and did so anyway. Unlike India, who at least has some excuse, there is no excuse for the Vikings' actions other than disrespect for China and Turkey.

To Inca:

We are gratified to hear the wise businessmen of Inca have developed a Construction company. Turkey has many vital construction and infrastucture projects, and we welcome the Inca to open a branch of the Corporation in Turkey. We previously requested a representative of Mining Inc to open a branch in Turkey, but the Valhalla businessmen rudely ignored our requests. Again, Inca business owners should please contact our nation privately to discuss the particulars of sending a corporate representative to us.

Aysecan, Public Relations Minister

[Inca (DoE)]

Consider a contract signed then! Inca merchants will be dispatched for Turkey shortly to assist you in your cultural and productive needs. How many do you desire?

[India (DoE)]

Response to Ottoman

The reason the Riflemen in question were not mentioned earlier is because the deal was made long ago when the Vikings had an different leader. We had already received half of the Rifles we traded for and were honestly uncertain whether the other half would arrive. We sent requests to the Vikings regarding this and they did not answer us regarding their ETA so we had given up hope that they would come. Considering that it is a near world sport to screw over India, this seemed logical to us.

As for the record, the original deal was 6 Riflemen, which half of we received before any treaty was made. According also to our latest records no Viking troops have reported for duty since the agreement started and we expected them not to arrive. As such, the 3 Rifles currently in Indian service have been there since long before the Ottoman-mediated treaty was even first suggested. If Viking troops have indeed reported for duty after our last roll call, then we are pleased that our arrangement with the Vikings is finally concluded.

However there are some matters that we must comment on.
1. Vikings now regret the fact that they made a deal with India because of all the anti-Indianism in the world. This is shameful, that the smallest civilization in the world (6 cities) should have so many and so strong enemies that even trading with us is cause for threats and hostilities towards trade partners. This is cowardly and vile, that great nations hate a small and originally pacifist people. Baseless, cowardly and vile. As a small weak nation India has not been able to buy the loyalty and friendships of powerful nations and therefore all nations now pick on us and celebrate our suffering. This is immoral and cowardly.
1.2 It is the belief of many Indian analysts that the real goal of the Japanese war is for India's government to collapse fully under the stress of a Chinese-supported-Japan so that the remaining Indian lands can be carved up and split between those who desire our riches.

2. The deal made with the Vikings was made before the 2nd Great war between Russia and Neandor and as such it was not relevant for the purposes of our treaty as the units had been bought a near century before Japan cowardly and without reason attacked India.
2.2. We did not originally inform the Ottoman of the Rifles as their sale was made so far ago that it should not matter. The Rifles should have been delivered centuries ago but were delayed by war and the political situation in the region. As such, they were not part of any deal made during the war and as such not subject to the treaties in question.
2.3. We did eventually decide to tell the Ottomans that we had made such a deal at a pre-pre-war time and that they would communicate this onwards. Keep in mind that India has had no correspondence with neither China or Japan since the Ottoman entered as mediators and as such it was in fact the Ottoman's responsibility to inform the other treaty signers IF the matter was in fact of any relevance. Which we did not believe it was, and neither did apparently the Ottoman as they chose to not disclose it.

In conclusion, India has NOT broken any treaty and if in fact receiving the troops in question was a breach of the treaty then the Ottoman should have announced this to us when we told them so that we could postpone the transfer. The Ottomans did not state that this would be a violation of the treaty and as such we did not consider it to be either. They can not now claim that India has broken any treaty when they knew that the soldiers were coming.

[China (DoE)]

Out of great respect for the Ottoman peace keepers we will not unleash violence on India if the Riflemen in question are moved to a neutral land for the duration of the war period. This must happen at once.

Let the world take note of India's inability to cooperate with any other nation. They write chapter upon chapter of baseless conspiracy and lies yet somehow every nation seems to have a problem with them due to acts of dishonor-ability on their part.

I will repeat again for new world leaders who have just been elected and not bothered to read their history (Arabia): China's greatest wish was for a unified Asia and went to great lengths to unite these nations to work together. Japan, has been a great friend and we have prospered together (sidenote: China has not gifted a single unit to Japan). Mongolia decided to war with us, lost, and ignored any effort to reconcile. They now wallow in filth. India, claims that China settled land that is rightfully theirs (why? because they say so!) and rather than work with China and Japan eons ago when we agreed to help them, find themselves in an unfortunate position.

Finally, Vikings are hereby labelled an enemy to China. This is the second time that you have gifted troops to India in strict violation of regional treaties. I have kept the messenger you sent telling us that it would never happen again, the first one. Viking units travelling near Chinese lands are not safe nor welcome. China has many great friends in your parts of the world and we will ensure that Chinese dignity is restored after this blatant insult.

PS China will not respond to India's forthcoming novel.

[Arabia2 (doe)]

Leader of China,

We might not know history but we were presented with these facts:

-Japan has attacked India and took their cities
-Then came you, the superpower, threatening small India to accept defeat or you will destroy them.

Maybe Japan can justify his war against India. It seems to be a balanced conflict which hopefully can be resolved soon, but your intervention is unacceptable. We don't know what is your gain helping Japan, it could be just to get their loyalty, but under no circumstances should it be allowed that you destroy or even just weaken India. We of course have no doubt you could do both almost effortlessly.
We only wish to see true peace negotiations without threats, the stability in Asia is our concern too.

King Salam Abdus

[Germany (DoE)]

The old Neanderhal could think of something at least, if only awake briefly...

And that is to say that the Viking units were promised VERY long ago in return for a GP that was sent by India. India should have had those 6 units well before the recent wars and in fact during the Vikings war against the Damn Anglais.

India had full right to these units in her possession and this is not an issue for any current peace talks.

For the sake of ancient friendships with both India and China I ask for common sense to prevail here and that in no way should the current Viking leader be suffering negative diplomacy as a result.

Old Neanderthal.

Out of great respect for the Ottoman peace keepers we will not unleash violence on India if the Riflemen in question are moved to a neutral land for the duration of the war period. This must happen at once.

Let the world take note of India's inability to cooperate with any other nation. They write chapter upon chapter of baseless conspiracy and lies yet somehow every nation seems to have a problem with them due to acts of dishonor-ability on their part.

I will repeat again for new world leaders who have just been elected and not bothered to read their history (Arabia): China's greatest wish was for a unified Asia and went to great lengths to unite these nations to work together. Japan, has been a great friend and we have prospered together (sidenote: China has not gifted a single unit to Japan). Mongolia decided to war with us, lost, and ignored any effort to reconcile. They now wallow in filth. India, claims that China settled land that is rightfully theirs (why? because they say so!) and rather than work with China and Japan eons ago when we agreed to help them, find themselves in an unfortunate position.

Finally, Vikings are hereby labelled an enemy to China. This is the second time that you have gifted troops to India in strict violation of regional treaties. I have kept the messenger you sent telling us that it would never happen again, the first one. Viking units travelling near Chinese lands are not safe nor welcome. China has many great friends in your parts of the world and we will ensure that Chinese dignity is restored after this blatant insult.

PS China will not respond to India's forthcoming novel.

[America (DoE)]

Great Ottomans,

We are currently still in a state of war. We do not know your intentions, nor your reasons for this. Recently, you brokered a peace deal with our allies. But you did not approach us.

But our people are weary. They scan the horizon every day, and weep with fear when they think they see sails on the horizon. They pray each night, hoping that there will be another tomorrow. They look at each other before they go to bed, and are afraid; afraid that they might not see each other when the sun rises.

We ask you; let us make an end to this madness. Let us make peace. No conditions, no reparations, nothing. Let us just forget about the past, and try to make a new start. Let us foster hope instead of hatred.

And let us gaze upon the ocean again, simply marveling at its beauty, instead of fearing what the tide may bring.

D. Eisenhower

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Notice to India and America:

To India:

We have heard your words and we find truth and reason in much of what you say. As I said before, I can confirm that you did mention the Viking Rifles that were owed to you previously, and it was reasonable for you to expect, or at least hope, that I as mediator would have brought this issue up to Japan and China. I did not however, in the forlorn hope that you would not recieve the units, or that you would postpone recieving them in recognition that the treaty did not allow such a thing. Either way, I accept responsibility for my oversight.

Now, going forward, we must look at the situation realistically. China has agreed to my public request, and will not attack India if India agrees to sideline the Viking Rifles she just recieved. The reason this condition should be acceptable to India, is because India has already publicly stated numerous times, that India did not even expect to recieve the Rifles, and in any case, there were only 3 Rifles transfered.

Since India was not expecting them anyway, and they just arrived, via Arabia, sending them back to Arabia to wait out the war period causes India no hardship whatsoever. Arabia has already expressed sympathy for India's case, and so I am confident that they would be willing to act as stewards of the Viking Rifles until the war-period ends. It seems inconcievable, that India would prefer certain war with China in order to keep 3 Rifles. If China attacks India, the losses will be substantially higher than 3 Rifles. Is this not correct?

Therefore, I ask India to agree to China's request, and publicly, or privately agree to transfer the recently recieved Viking Rifles to Arabia until the end of the war period. There really seems to be no other way to handle this. If Arabia refuses to accept them, then Turkey will accept them and return them after the War period ends. Be sure to give them name tags that say "Hello My Name Is" so that we will recognize them as Indian.

To America:

Our reasons for declaring war on America were delivered previously to you privately and do not need to be repeated publicly. However, those reasons no longer exist, and Turkey accepts your offer of Peace.

Aysecan, Public Relations Minister

[Arabia2 (doe)]

Arabia of course would accommodate those rifles until the end of war, if that's India's wish and helps making peace. It saddens us though that this could even create such distress. In our interpretation these rifles were belonging to India before the war, before the sign of the cease fire, they are not viking troops supporting India, but India's own troops. We just wish this conflict ended shortly.-We still haven't heard about the terms recently, I think that's more important question.

Abdus Salam

[India (DoE)]

Regarding China's statement


China publicly declares its imperialist desires to dominate all Asia. It is obvious that their support of Japan at every turn is a consequence of this. Allow India to ask a few questions for the sake of clarity, these are rhetorical questions and will illustrate the truth, any response to them is unnecessary.


1. What has Japan truly gained from their alliance with China? Count Japan's cities and their qualities compared to that of China and it is obvious that China has exploited Japanese simplicity and made itself rich in lands while Japan has none of the rich mainland and was forced to the poor west Indies islands. Japan is one of the poorer nations while China is one of the greatest, it shows clearly that China is not a good alliance partner treating its allies fairly, instead they have abused their neighbour's naivety and enriched themselves greatly while their most loyal ally Japan is left to be a poor people.


2. How many cities do China have compared to India? The world should hold a fair and even share of land for all nations, yet India has only 6 cities (+ its colonies) while China has 15? China claims they have not taken any lands, but their great share of the Asian lands show that they have. They bought the idiot Japanese (whom mentioned above have gained nothing for their compliance) to stay off the mainland and smashed the Mongolians who tried to resist their hegemonic plans and now they seek to destroy India for not wishing to serve them as a puppet in the way Japan does.

[India (DoE)]

3. What would a unified Asia under China have gained India? China had already taken the south-east Asia and there was no lands except the West Indies islands to settle, which we did on our own regardless of China. Had China offered a good deal we would have taken it, instead they tried to buy our servitude with promises we knew they could not keep. When we logically refused they deemed us an enemy. We chose independence rather than servitude and China has hated us for it ever since. We see where we would have been had we accepted the Chinese offer, a subject state, a puppet making China greater with us as its "allies" weak, just as is the case with Japan.


4. Why does China declare the Vikings an enemy for making a trade with India more than 100 years ago when there was peace in the region and no deals existed to not sell weapons to India? India desired strong defences to ensure our colonial possessions and it seems that it was in fact quite necessary. The reason China does this is its hatred of the nation that refused to be their slave. By extension any nation that would trade with India in a way that allows us to keep our independence and our colonies is an enemy of China. Can there be any question that China is in fact the real player behind the Japanese attack?