Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread]

[India (DoE)]

as a player stuck in the bottom half of the scoreboard (not complaining), any pain inflicted on civs bigger and stronger than me is music in my ears, especially the top civs. England was top civ for a long time with cities across the world, to see them fall down a few steps is in my opinion the best thing for balance of the game. and even if their large number of cities and their vast riches in resources and huge cities did not make them truly superior to everyone else, over time such an advantage could have developed if left unchecked. England was certainly a lot more powerful than India, and still is even after losing their heartland. In my opinion, when England falls below Mongolia on the scoreboard, THEN I will protest, but if it is ok for Mongolia to be smashed by two super-powers and squeazed into the tundra and kept at the bottom of the scoreboard, I don't see why the same should not be allowed for England.

[Russia (DoE)]

I think we all have a lot to say in the aftermath thread once this Diplo-game is finished somewhere in 10 month I guess and it will be revealing and surprising like the finish of Latino-series

[Vikings (DoE)]

Thank you Russia it was that or sitting and watching the world go by.

[Russia (DoE)]

Something that cannot be denied to the financial Vikings is their awesome tech rate and the credits for the current animation in the game.

[Vikings (DoE)]

I don't think anyone ever considered the Vikings to be a "mid lvl civ".

Haha well then maybe next time do not neglect others, try answering your private messages when called upon. As you see the price is steep for not doing so

Solid strategy to go directly for Astronomy. Still that left you weak in other departments as many saw.

"How the Mighty Fall"

[England (DoE)]

I don't think anyone ever considered the Vikings to be a "mid lvl civ". First in tech and now first in military really counts for a lot. Even before you started building rifles everyone considered you a top civ. Despite your attempts to pretend to be the "little guy" here, this is still an unprompted invasion by two big civs against one big civ. With another very big civ watching your back.

[Vikings (DoE)]

Good to know that a mid lvl civ can stir so much worry in the large guys. Hey little land and poor location, at least i had to pick a fight with someone. I concentrated long long ago in sci to achieve the military advantage i had. An advantage that would allow me to go for someone. I never had and will have the chance to pick points in the voting rounds, so i said well lets make those highly ranked guys work harder for their spots

[France (DoE)]

[OOC]

I am complaining and shouting only IC, I know that a good player must not complain about the course of the game and accept the possibility to lose someway, somehow. I know this is just a game and I am playing it. This is how I imagine the mighty Russia would react as a world power and this is what my Just Catherine would act. If you feel that I am banging the drum or I am frustrated, this means I am playing the diplomacy and role-playing well

None of the aggressors actually made some story why they attack, what they want, neither they stated their vision about the possible and acceptable peace. Some dialog, discussion maybe...

We have had a long standing 'angst' regarding the damnanglais, that is clear from all the stories in the previous months. Personally, I thought England and I were doing a pretty good job of maintaining that angst and public distrust. Look at their story regarding the assassination attempt on Genevieve. I wish I could have done more leading up to the war, but I was not dictating the time line and had some RL pressures - like getting married.

While talking about Diplos and stories, Neandor, you, as the main critique for Russia's intervention in the Mongol-Chinese war and worrying about the lost diplo-spirit, what is your opinion on the Vikings never actually posted a single story post in the whole game?

I agree it would be nice if the Vikings posted more stories. But they don't; they are a quiet people when it comes to words. And that no doubt gets reflected in the votes.

A major world power is crippled in a well planned conspiracy....

There was much less of a conspiracy than you think. I can tell you that not too long ago Neandor was quite worried that the Viking rifles would be targeted at them. Also, we were not planning to go to war, and were convinced at that last minute. Given how much we have lost population and economic wise, I am not sure it was the best idea. Oh well, done now.

But to think that this was a carefully orchestrated conspiracy is not correct. There is much closer co-operation now, but that is borne of necessity in war.

And last, I agree with you, that we all have to accept each others judgment, so please, accept mine.

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[France (DoE)]

The Inca feel they should DoW on England and Neandor both now just to confuse things even more

[France (DoE)]

Yes this thread is better than the story thread sometimes... Speaking of which... Thank you so much France for that beautiful story about the massacr... ahem... I mean "battle" of "Tangiers" (that was actually closer Carthage and ended with the razing of Carthage).

All joking aside, it was a beautiful story post, and I was glad to see it, because I was going to try to write up the recent fighting but I just didnt get around to it. So you saved me the time... your story was probably better than mine could have been anyway... Thanks

My pleasure. I find the real challenge in some of the story posts, especially warfare, is finding appropriate pictures. Movies are a gold mine of available shots (as you can tell from that post) but often you simply get a picture of Russel Crowe, and none of that great battle scene at the start of Gladiator. I searched high and low for that scene where the Roman catapults let loose at the start of that battle.

Also, the picture of the Janissaries standing in the wheat was a bonus - I have gotten some good pics from the Total War Center Forum.

Glad you liked it.

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Yes this thread is better than the story thread sometimes... Speaking of which... Thank you so much France for that beautiful story about the massacr... ahem... I mean "battle" of "Tangiers" (that was actually closer Carthage and ended with the razing of Carthage).

All joking aside, it was a beautiful story post, and I was glad to see it, because I was going to try to write up the recent fighting but I just didnt get around to it. So you saved me the time... your story was probably better than mine could have been anyway... Thanks

Oh and BTW, is there any voting this Month? I didnt get any notice about the voting... That happens at the beginning of the Month right?

[Russia (DoE)]

Wow, what a message i just wrote

[Russia (DoE)]

[OOC]

I am complaining and shouting only IC, I know that a good player must not complain about the course of the game and accept the possibility to lose someway, somehow. I know this is just a game and I am playing it. This is how I imagine the mighty Russia would react as a world power and this is what my Just Catherine would act. If you feel that I am banging the drum or I am frustrated, this means I am playing the diplomacy and role-playing well

BTW, kudos to England for not calling for a Measured War violation and continuing to play the game as a man, as there is simply a rule violation. I would do the same myself and I am doing the same now, by trying to make what I think is right with only in-game measures.

Only thing is bothering me OOC is that the game is perverting in a regular MP pitboss. None of the aggressors actually made some story why they attack, what they want, neither they stated their vision about the possible and acceptable peace. Some dialog, discussion maybe... Just OOC bandy words. If we were going to play it this way, and the sheer land, military power and teaming-up is the measure for success and rightness, I guess I was going to be quite more stronger at this point

While talking about Diplos and stories, Neandor, you, as the main critique for Russia's intervention in the Mongol-Chinese war and worrying about the lost diplo-spirit, what is your opinion on the Vikings never actually posted a single story post in the whole game?


You are right that everyone have his own judgement, and mine is this that

1. I must honor my agreement with England, by helping them fight their aggressors

and

2. A major world power is crippled in a well planned conspiracy, so I cannot just wave away with hand and don't bother about it. If now we let this pass, no one will be safe from now on. If a mighty nation as the English can do nothing about defending their homes, what about a smaller nations? Of course they will support the one, who is trying to give the world some security

In fact, if we look in pure game terms, I am far better now, being at number one, and one of my direct competitors - England - being hopelessly crippled. Also I was going to be far better with keeping my warm relations with France and the Vikings as your trio is the strong of the day and we even were going to be the "Magnificient Four" who can dictate our will to the whole world. Alas, this is how I feel and this is the situation

And last, I agree with you, that we all have to accept each others judgment, so please, accept mine.

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[Germany (DoE)]

There seems to be an undercurrent here about keeping the game balanced and fair but the real diplo world doesn't work that way.

Diplos are not builder games.

The Vikings attacked and looted the Saxons for wealth and land (and a bit of fun I daresay); the Romans conquered the Med and so on...

Diplos are the same. You use diplomacy and stories to expand your game play within the agreed rules. Beyond that we all exercise our own judgement and we all have to accept each others judgement - no point banging the same old drum OOC, UNLESS a rule is broken.

Mind you, a sense of humour is allowed

[Russia (DoE)]

Yes, even without knowing the details everyone can imagine your joy of double-working the English.

My statements may start sound like a broken record, but your total lack of a sound for the outcome of this crisis is what is disturbing here.

I have nothing to beware from, as the truth is on my side. In fact, you are the villains and you must be afraid. In fact this is a lousy way to try to scare me and those who support me for opposing you. For you it may be best everyone to stay calm, low and mute, so the things to just stay as they are - the beaten is beaten and the fuсked is fuсked, but you are the one who must beware as everyone have eyes, and everyone have their hearts to tell them what to do, and what is right to be done.

State your position in the peace negotiations and dont try to scare me off, for who draws a knife, from a knife dies.