Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread]

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Please Russia do not have this conversation as if the game is over. Just hold your words until the end. Otherwise we may as well just end it now.

[Aztecs (DoE)]

Inca didn't want to..

[Native America (DoE)]

I am playing myself.

I am subbing for no one.

I have not needed to be subbed at any point.


ETA: I'm STILL missing anything decent in the way of a flag on here.

[Russia (DoE)]

I understand your thoughts, but such an artificial limits rarely can work. How could one be limited to not sympathize with someone?

Honestly (although I was trying hard to restrain myself from discussing the game as it is already finished) you could have created fourth center of power if you were stick with the Inca. You decided to go with the Axis. Now who's guilty for this?

[Aztecs (DoE)]

I am playing.

And with 1 revolution, 1 mad king, 3 units and 3 cities I am in great shape..



Honestly, the game could have been better
without the grand alliances (25% of players per alliance would be the max for a good game dynamic),
and the subbing regime (subs always selected from the same side: i.m.o. completely unnecessary and making it too hard to get a different game dynamic going..)

[Russia (DoE)]

Hahah! Never knew it is... I am not subbing for anyone. Where did you saw this? At PYT? Last time I subbed for the Ottomans it was in the end of the Great War months ago when the original player was on vacation.

Further more, my login is Cat, not Catherine, so I honestly dont know what is going on.

[Robert]

@Russia: why is the name of the Ottoman player 'Catherine' (haven't read the story threads, so it's an honest, but perhaps very stupid question ). That's not b/c you're subbing for the Ottomans?

[Russia (DoE)]

Russia reports in. Subbing no comrade.

[Robert]

The game is server side paused for a couple of days.
Consider these to be cold turkey days.
In the meanwhile subs can be arranged.

India: please don't go.

Part of the fun of diplogaming is that losing is not bad, make a nice story and it can be very interesting.
Another part of the fun of diplogaming is that the top civs don't have to overpower everybody like they would have to do in regular games.

Both #1 and #2 are violated way too often and way too much.

I'd like to get a list of all civs who are being subbed and I need to know by whom.
So if you play your own civ, then login here and state that you play yourself.
If you're subbing, state all the subs you're playing.

It's an awesome game, let's organize things first and get all into the diplo-track again before we move on.
I'm sorry for being not very close to the game and unable to lead it.
Private life is not giving me much possibilities to do much more. But I'll try it anyway.

[Russia (DoE)]

I agree that subs must be invisible.

And I dont know how this with the lower rank civs could work. I meant that this will mean to just throw away a civ which you've been with in good and bad in the last year in favor of some new shinier, but alien civ. The problem with major civs in war being leaderless remains though.

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

@ Russia - My point is not to insult or give charity to the lower ranked civ leaders. My point is that if Mongolia skips a turn, the game goes on and no one notices, but for China and India, the game must be paused or the game is a farce. That is why we need active players to take over for them NOW, and it just can't be Inca, because he is conflicted about pressing the war against India.

To the "moving on up to the east side" idea. It's up to the lower ranked players. But then if we can't find a proper sub for China, how are we going to find one for a (no offense) Zulu nation? If no one wants to step into a major power's shoes who's about to go on a domination rampage, what's a bottom-half civ sitting on the sidelines going to manage to attract?

Exactly why I said maybe we find one player to take over 2-4 of the lowest rank civs so that their leaders, who are still actually active players, can be free to focus on running the higher ranked ones.

Frankly the game should be paused now without Inca taking anymore turns for China, because Inca has basically announced that hes absolutely not willing to raze any Indian cities. So basically he is intentionally fighting with one hand tied behind his back... that has an effect on everything.

I wont go into why or how it affects everything, because that just spoils things more, but IMO the point of a sub is for the civ to be run QUIETLY, not for every move of the subbed-civ to be announced and debated and approved, because of the sub's discomfort with their role.

Everytime we are reminded that a civ is being subbed, it undermines the game, because it makes the game seem like a farce. the point of having a sub, is so that the rest of the players can continue to enjoy the game smoothly without interruption, and without being constantly reminded that one of the civs is a farce.

Yes subbing for another civ while you are already playing is a burden. It is uncomfortable, because you don't want to mess up, or be accused of abusing your position, etc., but that is the point. The sub takes on the burden silently, so that the rest of us can just continue to enjoy the game.

[Inca (DoE)]

Took China's turn. The die will be thrown on the next one, it seems. India, first move, perhaps it will be successful in repelling the advancing Chinese hordes...

[Arabia2 (doe)]

I wrote that long post, then it was lost, not gonna write it again

Just few things: Agree with ottomans that many things belong to the story board, but also there are some which can not be discussed there, because it would be too artificial (and also too easily ignored.. :/ ). The measured war rule is one of them. And for me the measured war rule not only means that the loser doesn't lose too much, but also that one should not start a war (or at least don't cause any harm) if there is 0 challenge in it. No matter if it was convenient, logical or just interesting.
There is an old debate about how one should use his power in the game. We can agree that it is stupid to attack a strong nation's ally and don't expect their intervention, but it is also bad if that superpower tries to control everything. (in the current situation Inca and China are not even allies).

[Inca (DoE)]

Turkey, I'm okay playing for a few more turns, but when it comes time to decide if I should hit "raze city" or "keep city" I am going to be having problems, and if this decision has to play out multiple times, well, that's not something I really want to decide on. I decided to sub for a short while so we could get the game moving again while a proper sub was found. I can still do that (for a couple days), but very soon the situation's going to be such that no very-temporary sub should be in the position I'll be in. I'm giving you all a heads up that, okay, yes, I'm not comfortable at all subbing when those decisions need to be made. And regarding what I said to Arabia, well, it's true and doesn't really need to be hidden: I can't make any plans out of about 5 or 10 turns, so threatening anyone with consequences that aren't immediate is just me running my mouth as a sub. I guess it's not really appropriate in any way, I've just been in a talkative mood lately

To the "moving on up to the east side" idea. It's up to the lower ranked players. But then if we can't find a proper sub for China, how are we going to find one for a (no offense) Zulu nation? If no one wants to step into a major power's shoes who's about to go on a domination rampage, what's a bottom-half civ sitting on the sidelines going to manage to attract?

That said, I'll long-term sub (take over completely basically) for a bottom-third civ if it means I can do some crazy tin-pot dictator stuff with it -which basically means somewhat trashing it- without qualms, promising to not use it to my Incan advantage, or really anyone's advantage unless compelled in a very in-character way that's at least somewhat publicly shown in the story thread.

[Russia (DoE)]

Hmm... I dont think it is too nice to treat the lower- ranked civs in such a way as they are sentenced to rule their suposedly "painful" nations. I think any of the lower rank civs are playing the game with dignity and I am not sure how I was going to react if somene is treting me like I need a charity.

Here is the time to ask - if Mongolia and Mali can be at the rank they are, what so much is India complaining for?