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It is more the Inca who are arguing the fair play line in this OOC thread I guess, not so much Russia and the DA did kick start the discussion, although I do agree the DA are being pretty good about it all.
There has not been a rule violation unless it is ruled on. I do agree on solving the issues IG.
The game is far from being a regular game
I think it poor form to raze mature cities regarding your actions in Mongolia but that's my judgement; and I accept that your judgement is different
Note that the Vikings are VERY active behind the scenes with PM's - as are many other non-posting civs. It's not against the rules to not post, it just effects the voting and so it is their choice and, dare I say, judgement
The amazing thing is that all your (plural) conspiracy theories about our alliance are totally wrong and it is the actions of many nations that has caused the alliance to become more solid - through necessity as France pointed out.
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I am complaining and shouting only IC, I know that a good player must not complain about the course of the game and accept the possibility to lose someway, somehow. I know this is just a game and I am playing it. This is how I imagine the mighty Russia would react as a world power and this is what my Just Catherine would act. If you feel that I am banging the drum or I am frustrated, this means I am playing the diplomacy and role-playing well
BTW, kudos to England for not calling for a Measured War violation and continuing to play the game as a man, as there is simply a rule violation. I would do the same myself and I am doing the same now, by trying to make what I think is right with only in-game measures.
Only thing is bothering me OOC is that the game is perverting in a regular MP pitboss. None of the aggressors actually made some story why they attack, what they want, neither they stated their vision about the possible and acceptable peace. Some dialog, discussion maybe... Just OOC bandy words. If we were going to play it this way, and the sheer land, military power and teaming-up is the measure for success and rightness, I guess I was going to be quite more stronger at this point
While talking about Diplos and stories, Neandor, you, as the main critique for Russia's intervention in the Mongol-Chinese war and worrying about the lost diplo-spirit, what is your opinion on the Vikings never actually posted a single story post in the whole game?
You are right that everyone have his own judgement, and mine is this that
1. I must honor my agreement with England, by helping them fight their aggressors
and
2. A major world power is crippled in a well planned conspiracy, so I cannot just wave away with hand and don't bother about it. If now we let this pass, no one will be safe from now on. If a mighty nation as the English can do nothing about defending their homes, what about a smaller nations? Of course they will support the one, who is trying to give the world some security
In fact, if we look in pure game terms, I am far better now, being at number one, and one of my direct competitors - England - being hopelessly crippled. Also I was going to be far better with keeping my warm relations with France and the Vikings as your trio is the strong of the day and we even were going to be the "Magnificient Four" who can dictate our will to the whole world. Alas, this is how I feel and this is the situation
And last, I agree with you, that we all have to accept each others judgment, so please, accept mine.
[/OOC]
I am complaining and shouting only IC, I know that a good player must not complain about the course of the game and accept the possibility to lose someway, somehow. I know this is just a game and I am playing it. This is how I imagine the mighty Russia would react as a world power and this is what my Just Catherine would act. If you feel that I am banging the drum or I am frustrated, this means I am playing the diplomacy and role-playing well
BTW, kudos to England for not calling for a Measured War violation and continuing to play the game as a man, as there is simply a rule violation. I would do the same myself and I am doing the same now, by trying to make what I think is right with only in-game measures.
Only thing is bothering me OOC is that the game is perverting in a regular MP pitboss. None of the aggressors actually made some story why they attack, what they want, neither they stated their vision about the possible and acceptable peace. Some dialog, discussion maybe... Just OOC bandy words. If we were going to play it this way, and the sheer land, military power and teaming-up is the measure for success and rightness, I guess I was going to be quite more stronger at this point
While talking about Diplos and stories, Neandor, you, as the main critique for Russia's intervention in the Mongol-Chinese war and worrying about the lost diplo-spirit, what is your opinion on the Vikings never actually posted a single story post in the whole game?
You are right that everyone have his own judgement, and mine is this that
1. I must honor my agreement with England, by helping them fight their aggressors
and
2. A major world power is crippled in a well planned conspiracy, so I cannot just wave away with hand and don't bother about it. If now we let this pass, no one will be safe from now on. If a mighty nation as the English can do nothing about defending their homes, what about a smaller nations? Of course they will support the one, who is trying to give the world some security
In fact, if we look in pure game terms, I am far better now, being at number one, and one of my direct competitors - England - being hopelessly crippled. Also I was going to be far better with keeping my warm relations with France and the Vikings as your trio is the strong of the day and we even were going to be the "Magnificient Four" who can dictate our will to the whole world. Alas, this is how I feel and this is the situation
And last, I agree with you, that we all have to accept each others judgment, so please, accept mine.
[/OOC]
There has not been a rule violation unless it is ruled on. I do agree on solving the issues IG.
The game is far from being a regular game
I think it poor form to raze mature cities regarding your actions in Mongolia but that's my judgement; and I accept that your judgement is different
Note that the Vikings are VERY active behind the scenes with PM's - as are many other non-posting civs. It's not against the rules to not post, it just effects the voting and so it is their choice and, dare I say, judgement
The amazing thing is that all your (plural) conspiracy theories about our alliance are totally wrong and it is the actions of many nations that has caused the alliance to become more solid - through necessity as France pointed out.
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