New type of diplo game

[Sumeria (DoD)]

Statement of the Sumerian Court of Gilgamesh MXXXDVII

The troublesome war upon our borders gives Sumeria grave concern. It must cease immediately or Sumeria will be forced to act for the sake of her own security.

It must cease but the Egyptian demand that only her colonies can be traded is not acceptable. Sumeria will not tolerate such a deal and will seize any and all offered. Sumeria is master of the southern seas and whilst her troops are less well equipped she has a very large number of them. Do not take this lightly, either side, as Sumeria has no qualms as to laying waste to land or razing cities. Look at your history books if you doubt this!

Sumeria has no argument with any nation, save one too hideous to mention, but this war must end. Rome has offered a Peace Treaty which is punitive in the extreme but Egypt's very declaration of war promised only annihilation so logic says that flexibility must be adopted by both sides.

Be sensible my friends.

[OzzyKP]

Diplo-lite seems to be hard to maintain, everyone keeps slipping into negotiation mode.

[St Jon]

'Tis only fun Ozzy and I enjoy reading the propaganda.

This game has been huge fun and even since it got to be kill or be killed the diplomacy hasn't stopped. Even if you know that your balls are on the line if you say the wrong word it does not make it a lesser game. If anything, it makes it a tenser one.

This rather takes me back many years to when I played CtP and we made our diplomatic statements and our demands on here. It was all fun then but you could still wipe someone out if you were able to. You could always try to con them into thinking you could but that might not always work.

Were large scale CivIV MP games such a failure at producing RP posts?

I don't know, I missed 8 or 9 years of on-line gaming, but I do remember that the reason I became St Jon was that having started as Jon, on Poly, during a game of CtP I became Pope Jon, IG, and then decided I would beatify myself and become a Saint. Hence the Poly name I bear now from all those years ago.

[Egypt (DoD)]

Hey fellow players:
I want an explanation from the Russian/American player: why does he think he can play with two accounts, transfer all the money (including all gold/turn revenue from one to the other). it doesn't seem fair to me.

explanation: last turn ichecked: russia had no money, went for full research, gnp below 2000. during this turn lincoln and stardust logged in alternatively many times. this turn Russia still going for full research, has +750 gold/turn with a 3500 gnp

and ofc He upgraded all the troops He couldn't upgrade . I want to know what is happening..

[Robert]

Sounds like this game needs a pause as well.
Russia/America: please clarify, who's playing America? Same player as Russia? Is America indeed 'helping' Russia in it's war? If the latter is the case then America can't be subbed by Russia, imho. This is a rule less game so I speak up as a participant, not as a host or something.
If that's not the case then please say so, so that we can proceed. In that case apologizes for discussing this.

Regarding the Vikings: it does indeed seem like they're not playing much.
Right now they are delaying every turn. Maybe we can crank the turn timer up to 16h/turn. I can always pause if someone of the warring parties can't make it.

[Egypt (DoD)]

Leaders of the world,

The Great Lord of the Desert is angered now...beyond belief.. still He will make a try for a sensible communication.. maybe for the last time, after that it will be only war and destruction.
An alliance of the greatest powers: Russia, Gondor, America, Rome, and I'm not sure where Sumeria stands are on their move to destroy all oppositions one by one.. They know nothing about fair or honorable fights (like refusing to accpet a charta which would protect the civilians' life).
Now you enetered my land you will learn why is it called the cursed desert.. Egypt can not surrender her powers to this alliance because that would be the end of her forever.
So I will make a peace offer.. you may ridicule it, but I suggest you consider it carefully:

Rome suffered a lot in this war, They choosed to fight for stupidness or for honour to protect their allies, doesn't really matter, they could had just pay 10 catapults and avoid this, but they were afraid that then their allies would turn against them.
My offer is this:
Egypt pays 2000 gold to Rome
Russia/America/Gondor pay 3000 gold to Rome (altogether, not each) (* edited a bit in the knowledge of new facts)

Egypt will also send any surplus luxury resource to Rome which they need indefinetly

Peace between the warring nations should be secured by a 25 turns non-aggression pact.

Desertlord

[Egypt (DoD)]

@Sumeria: "If you come in peace, surrender or be destroyed. If you're here to make war, we surrender." futurama

[Rome (DoD)]

Russia still can't post here, Robert: please change Russian password!

This is what Russia asked me to post here.

• Will start with a simple quite from Lincoln (“I totally agreee with that, we are allies in old lands and newlands.” Summary Russia and America are strong allies, always have been, but few knew about it.
• America’s player is away for a couple of days and asked me to sub for him. Makes perfect sense being allies and knowing very well the plans of my ally. So I am subbing for them currently.
• Of course when I saw Egypt’s invasion force, I did send funds from America to Russia as a temporary load. I think that is what Allies do in case of an invasion. I would have asked and gotten the funds if Lincoln was in control as well.
• Well this is it.

Seems reasonable to me.
Personally I am not keen on Sumeria to enter the war or America joining as well.
4 or 5 vs 1 is too much in my opinion. I'm sorry for being such a pu$$y.
(as a matter of fact I anticipated on Babylon helping Egypt, making it 2 vs 3)

[Egypt (DoD)]

Well it has already happened so just move on. Take my offer or be destroyed!
(In my next turn I will declare war on America, or you can do it too)

[Robert]

Russia's explanation makes sense to me. Please make America confirm when back.
I have no opinion on how many versus how many in wars, as a host. That's something you'll have to figure out among each other.

I'll restart the game now.
edit: apparently I never paused the game. so it's still up

@Rome: I'll send you Russia's new password.

[Egypt (DoD)]

Since now America is openly in the war too, I think it's only fair that they help rebuild Rome too.
Now my peace offer is this:
Egypt pays 2000 gold to Rome
The alliance, (no matter how many they are and who contribute how much) pay 3000 gold to Rome

the rest still stands, Egypt will send necessary resources to Rome, and the non aggression pact for 25 turns includes America

[Byzantium (DoD)]

Desertlord.

If this is acceptable to Rome and you make peace with Russia (offer it now if possible - login again. And also offer peace to Rome and Gondor) and set out timetable to pay Rome.

Gondor will make its own arrangements with Rome as it is an inter-alliance issue and not of your concern. There are many factors here. We will not fall victim to any divide and conquer trickery

Strider.

Since now America is openly in the war too, I think it's only fair that they help rebuild Rome too.
Now my peace offer is this:
Egypt pays 2000 gold to Rome
The alliance, (no matter how many they are and who contribute how much) pay 3000 gold to Rome

the rest still stands, Egypt will send necessary resources to Rome, and the non aggression pact for 25 turns includes America

[deity]

Sorry, I've not been around much as deity. Thanks for handling the pause Cyber!

No rules broken from what I can see and isn't it great that a diplo-light game has become so intensely heavy

I commend all civs involved. It is a shame a few civs did not stick it out though.

I ask everyone to take a rain check on their approach to the spirit of the game and that game mechanics or whatever do not get abused. It's a fine line sometimes between good strategy, game mechanics and good spirit and it is good to step back for a minute and have a think.

[Russia (DoD)]

Hello all,

I am sorry for not posting at all, but as many know by now I did forget my pass for this account.

Now to politics. Egypt we have talked to Rome and Byzantium. We three have agreed to ceasefire with you. I too agree to the above terms said. But as Byzatium said we have already have discussed how to help rebuild Rome. You can be sure that our aid will not be smaller of what you offered.

So please do log back in and offer peace to russia, Rome and Byzantium. None agression pact stands for 25 turns. Afterwards politics can resume.

Stardust.

PS I will ask America to post for himself when he returns. Egypt I am sorry if my actions were off a bit. I though it was expected.

[Egypt (DoD)]

((I can not log in this turn -for 9 more hours at least) ))

I want to be sure you understand: Egypt is not surrendering, what it means I don't want to see the Russian/Gondor/American alliance coming out stronger from this conflict. I know Rome is also in this alliance, but they getting compensated is alright for me. For this reason I want to be sure that it is not Rome who will pay to you for your help.
I need your word that no Roman city will go as payment to any of you. and the gold for reparation will be payed though this part is up to you how you solve/agree.

Desertlord

((About america: I don't know when exactly you made friendship with america (2000 bc? ), but sometimes people say something and act otherwise later., bringing someone into the war without his knowledge might be too much. also subbing to a big civ while you are at war is problematic too, since for example you could had seen my approaching invasion army by subbing them without my knowledge, that could had been a big advantage.
Ultimately this won't do too much difference, you have 7 defenders left, the road closed, I have 10 infantries (most of them heals this turn and have around 95% chance to kill a defending rifleman), 2 cannons and 4 airships to attack, less than 1% chance you can hold the city, and even then only for one more turn, but what made me a bit angry IC is that you could had just put the full american revenue into your economy.. thats too big. Now they don't research, they can not secretly plot against you.. etc)