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**Robert** · March 5, 2007, 04:08

Why do I deserve your vote:

Story telling
The rise and the fall of India
This is the most easy category in which I'm clearly the #1 player (brag thread, remember

). The ancient indian stories were entertaining! Some highlights: Founding of hinduism, Mysterious end of Robert, Arjuna the Archer, Arjuna the archer and the village of Maniju, Manu and the god-fish, Samudra-Gupta and the birth of Krishianity, obviously the entire Krishnianity story-line, The story of Asoka and Ghandi and their lost father, Lala Lajpat Rai,
(1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7), The rise of the Indian Republic, The speech of Balaji, The complex system of Indian political parties leading to the end of India. And last but not least the setup of the fall of the Indian empire by provocing the Bulgarians to nuke the Holy city of Krishnianity, Krishnai, and razaing most of the important Indian cities.

Diplomacy
With story telling I'm the must-be #1 (brag thread, remember

), my diplomacy is a failure. The diplomacy with Egypt and China resulted only in India paying for the debts of both Egypt and China for most of history. During both Indian/Bulgarian wars both Egypt and China were hardly able to help india (eventhough they both tried). India tried to backstab it's allies during the days of Asoka by allying with Bulgaria and Arabia. This failed and lead to the ultimate hate from India towards Bulgaria. In the last days India was behind much diplomacy to the fall of Bulgaria (which failed) but also kept open all options to ally with Bulgaria and Arabia once again, but failed to establish such an alliance. If the vote for diplomacy is for those who succeeded most, then I do not deserve any votes. The ultimate fall if India is the great example of my diplomatic failure. When my army marched against the Bulgarians in a final attempt for victory, none of my allies stood up for me.
If the diplomacy vote is for those who tried to stir up diplomacy on Terra, the Indian attempts for peace between England and Incan (vassal-state agreement), for behind the scenes backstabbing, I may deserve some good votes!

Military Tactics
What can I say? If you look at India you see a smoke pile of radioactive garbage. India clearly failed. India even forgot to nuke Bulgaria back with the ICBMs stored on Tan. (oops). All my military tactics horribly failed. Not only because my army was too small, but also because I made the wrong moves.
If votes are being given for the nation that at least tried to stir up Terra military wise, then I may deserve some votes anyway

**OzzyKP** · March 5, 2007, 08:48

Edit by CyberShy:
Ozzy, I've included your comments in the first post of this thread. You may want to use this post to post your arguments

**Toni** · March 5, 2007, 12:57

Military:

What can I say this is where I shine, Fought 3 wars, 1st against the Romans (AI), which I destroyed and took there land to further boost my empire. 2nd war vs. China and India, where Indians forces were totally destroyed and a city was razed by me. All the Chinese offensive units were destroyed, was on my way to destroy what remaining forces there were hiding in China, but my allies advised me to make peace so I vassal them, could have demanded India to become my vassal as well but did not want the extra maintenance cost. 3rd war India attacks Bulgaria with a huge amount of units on many fronts. All Indian units are completely destroyed on the old world, with 3 cities razed to the ground. Game ended before I could counter attack what army they had in the new world. Also Bulgaria was the only nation to build a Nuclear weapon. The Nuke was used to weaken a huge amount of Indian forces which after that were very easily destroyed. Also Bulgaria had the biggest army in the late game and had five great generals more than any other nation. Thanks to the right moves all my military tactics succeeded.

Diplomacy:

Was able to fool the western alliance into believing that I will work with them and this gave me enough time to grow my army and continue with my development goals. Started an alliance with the Arabs from the very start, both nations weren’t ranked top at that time, but with great team work we made it the strongest alliance on Terra. Was instrumental into getting the Inca to aid me in the great western war, by attacking China in the north. Also worked well with my allies, which lend me units to better defend myself. Many war plans were developed in case of war vs. the Choson, Vikings and the western alliance. Excellent tech corporation with allies, which made us the tech leaders on Terra. Was able in the early game to use my strong ally the Arabs as a shield from foreign nations, while I was focusing on researching, which paid greatly in mid-late game and this gave both nations a huge time lead on building the SS.

Story telling:

Mediocre here, was never my strong side, did what was required from me but nothing more. I consider myself a bad writer, so never really enjoyed it. Being Bulgarian was what really helped me write my stories.

**OzzyKP** · March 5, 2007, 14:18

Well I prefer to just let my actions speak for themselves, but I guess I can do a bit of bragging...

Military - I was the most militarily successful and active player in the game.

Wars:
Roman War - Early in the game I joined with Bulgaria to drive back the Romans who aggressively expanded and placed a city right on the border of my capitol. I razed their city.

First Kushren War - Later, the Kushren tried to finish off the Romans, but I closed borders with them so their army couldn't make it to the weak AI Romans. They just sent the army to me instead. I destroyed their army with minimal losses and pillaged their territory.

Celtic Jihad - Invaded Celts to spread Islam, took a city with minimal losses. I offered peace and they accepted my terms to become my vassal and convert to Islam.

Choson Jihad - The Choson declared war in response to my invasion of the Celts, as I expected, and I had saved the bulk of my army to deal with them. The great Choson wall was better fortified than I anticipated and my invasion was beat back. Significant losses on both sides. The war was between the two biggest armies (I forget, Choson may have been bigger...) and while no land was exchanged, Arabia scored a victory by causing far more pain to the Choson than Arabia suffered. Plus Arabia got maps (and maybe Astronomy, I forget).

Kushren Jihad - Another war to spread Islam, not long after the first two Jihads. One city was captured, and others would have soon fallen had Conq not missed a session letting the Kushren go AI (who I couldn't attack). I had him beat and would have pressed my advantage if he didn't leave. Ultimately I was victorious, he converted to Islam and I returned the city.

Western War - While I didn't fight directly, I gave a good sized army to my Bulgarian ally to defend himself against the Western invasion. My troops (well upgraded from the Jihads) proved critical for his defense.

For most of the game I held the largest military, and for all of the game I held a top 3 military. Furthermore through skillful use of my spirtual trait and my great generals (plus I built West Point) my troops were the best trained in the world.

Diplomacy - I maintained a close alliance with Bulgaria for most all of the game. I brought in England to our alliance mid-game when we needed a third partner. They proved to be an excellent ally. I also earned friendly relations with the Celt replacement - Cole. And I helped keep the Inca under Levi loyal to us up to the point of their war with England.

My best diplomatic maneuver was my war with the Choson. Deity had a good tech lead, exclusive access to the new world, and was starting to trade on that success with other powers. While I never took territory from him, my war was extremely costly to Deity - my main rival. He had to slave his cities considerably to match me in war, a significant setback that changed the balance of the game permanently. By Deity's own admission the game may have ended quite differently if I hadn't out maneuvered him here.

Throughout the game I held my allies in check to prevent them from taking too much territory from their neighbors. (you guys should thank me).

I had closed borders with many civs for much of the game, an action that (I hope) hurt their economy, but at the time didn't affect me since I was running a specialist economy with mercantilism.

Either through fear, promises, or luck the massive anti-Arab & Bulgarian alliance never materialized. While I can't claim a lot of credit for it, the outcome speaks for itself.

I did a great deal of negotiating with my allies over the possibility of a Choson invasion late in the game. Thankfully it never happened, but our dilligence to expand our military and create a diplomatic offensive in the thread contributed to that.

Also late in the game I negotiated with Deity for a possible alliance to shake up the game a bit. It didn't materialize, but was an interesting possibility.

Finally, I think I strung along India for a bit, leading them to believe (with minimal effort) that I would turn on Bulgaria mid-game. This emboldened the western alliance to invade Bulgaria and led to their inevitable beatdown by Arab, Bulgarian and Incan forces.

Storytelling - I kicked some ass here. My storyline expertly blended Biblical, Islamic, and Arab history with gameplay to produce a compelling narrative for the game. I like my early history where I took Jewish history and gave it an Arab bent, and how I explained the hut popping process in terms of Soddom & Gammorah, and my war against the Romans. Translating a Bible passage into Bulgarian for Toni's benefit was cool too. It served the story as well.

I did a great deal of research for the game (too much maybe), but I now am pretty familiar with the history of Islam. I based my posts heavily on history, but always to serve game play as well.

I sought to duplicate the Islamic Jihad in the real world and succeeded in converting the Kushren and Celts by the sword for purely role play purposes. I made spreading Islam a huge priority and it paid off with 29% spread by the end of the game. I also allowed my end game strategy to be determined by voters, a realistic and creative move imho. I timed it so the Jewish temple was build during the reign of Solomon. Plus I built a Sheba city so i could have a plotline with the Queen of Sheba, and later used that to tell the story of the origin of Muhammed since it was tied in with a war with Ethiopia (a possible location for Sheba).

I made some really cool graphics for my stories too, and spent a lot of time on them. So I'm posting them again since I'm still proud:

Plus my newspapers were good recaps of the sessions. And Ozman's dream that incorporated real literature on the subject modified to deal with the spacerace and the rise of the Ottomans. I think I did a good job of staying in character for in-game discussions too.

**Toni** · March 5, 2007, 15:10

Just curious Ozzy did you had the most kills in the game?

I just counted my kills total is 161!

Can someone beat that? I think to think oneself as being the most militarily successful you should have the most enemy kills.

Pls do not take my earned spot

**OzzyKP** · March 5, 2007, 16:09

There are many more aspects that just unit kills. I'm sure if I tried to wipe out the Celts and Kushren down to the last then I'd have a lot more unit kills, but I fought tactical wars.

**Toni** · March 5, 2007, 16:17

Very easy fights Ozzy very

Celts and Kushren where just too easy, a win against deity i would have given you more credit. Tactical wars are done vs weak nations.

I personally I believe that you didn't do well in this category, u will see my votes. I gave u 2nd place , there was a nation which won wars against much tougher enemies then u did and its England.

I know this section we are suppose to brag about our accomplishments, but staying relistic would be nice.

One more thing, u attacked those nations, when u felt you were ready, Both big wars i had i was the attacked one very different compared to you. Its another thing when u have a huge army and u go and beat some weak civs. U felt just like that vs the Choson as well, but deity fought u back.

As u can see i just disagree in the Military section, I think u did very well in the other two though.

**Robert** · March 5, 2007, 17:27

Pst, no debating here

Just brag your own brag and leave it to that.

I'm not going to add that Ozzy needs much more then a few lines to make his point, either.

**Toni** · March 5, 2007, 17:48

I'm not going to add that Ozzy needs much more then a few lines to make his point, either.

**Glohithia** · March 5, 2007, 19:31

When I took over England, they were ok in technology but very behind in any infrastructure. Not much was built in the cities and the land was almost unworked. The worst was the almost total lack of cottages.

To make things worse, in my mind, was the fact that I thought everybody was already grouped in 3 way alliances, since that is the only way to work things with the tech trading rules in place. I was surprised that Ozzy and Toni approached me and offered a spot to make their alliance a three way. That was the single most important event in England's growth. Both Toni and Ozzy pretty much carried me thru the first half of the game, gifting me resources (and out teching me 2 to 1 sometimes) to get me out of trouble. They were honorable allies and at first I had problems believing they didnt have a hidden agenda

Due to my lack of cities and the constant "catching up" I was doing, I never had any cities build wonders and I decided to totally forego the space ship. I decided to pay back my alliance by building a large military and use it to help them fight off attacks as they built the space ships.

Because of this, I dont really think England deserves any votes. Ill make a pitch in Military because after a while I was able to field quite a good army, but I had the benefit of concentrating soley on military. So even that is suspect in my mind.

The one thing I will say is that I had a blast! Everybody was great to play with and big ups to Ozzy and Toni for really making the game fun for me and England

Military Achievement-At one point in time, just as I attacked the Inca for the first time, I had an army of Infantry and Cannons (roughly 20 of each) that dwarfed the rest of the nations of Terra in pure firepower. Others may have had more units, but I think I could have run over most cities. Keep in mind this was just as our alliance had researched Assembly Line and I spent considerable funds to upgrade my units. I was able to take two cities with no losses. Later, when the Inca renounced vassalage and massed modern troops outside of my city, I again pulled off an almost perfect assault, killing almost 40 Incan units to my 5 artillery losses and getting 2 GG's. At the end of the game, I had a sizable navy and air force as well as a very large modern army of modern armor, mech infantry, and gunships, just waiting for somebody to attack Ozzy or Toni so I could go on the offensive again

Diplomacy-I really didnt participate much in any diplomacy. I did decide to stick to my alliance after my attack on the Inca. Before that happened, I tried to make some alternate plans with deity, Kuno, and Ryk. Just in case my allies got angry with me for attacking another ally, I wanted to know if I had another alliance I could fall back on. However, deity (and the rest) would not commit to anything and really treated the whole suggestion from me with suspicion. After the attack when all was still well between myself and my allies, I decided to stick with the alliance I had till the end and would have only jumped if Toni and/or Ozzy had turned on me.

Storytelling/Roleplaying-I think I did the bare minimum here. I find it hard to make enough time to write a quality story, it comes hard to me. Im an engineer and am not very comfortable with my more artistic side. Im more analytical

If Im honest, my "stories" were quite boring! Id kick my a*s*s* for the garbage I wrote if I were the lot of you

**OzzyKP** · March 7, 2007, 09:07

Ok, here are the people who are voting and who you are voting for.

Carthage/Vikings - LzPrst & Rykoffe
England - Glohitha
Inca - Frank Johnson & LevitheOracle & kbarrett
Egypt - Nolan
China - Kuno
Bulgaria - Toni
India - CyberShy
Arabia - Ozzy
Kushren - Colonel_Trieze & Conquistador45
Celts - Omnipotent Trout & dacole
Choson - Deity

CS, can you send some PMs around and contact the less active players and let them know they need to help vote. And the rest of you be sure to take into consideration everyone who played a certain civ.

**Robert** · March 7, 2007, 10:21

I've already sent PM's around, I'll send another batch of PM's this evening. It's not like most players react on them though

**Glohithia** · March 7, 2007, 12:56

Just in case you are developing a complex CS, I have read your PM's and taken appropriate action

I have my votes in, so now Im just waiting for the final tally. Id like to know who to officially congratulate

**Robert** · March 7, 2007, 13:09

I know that you're active

I don't expect people to respond to my PM's personally

I suggest that we wait wit voting till friday, so that all players have a change till friday to write a brag-story in this thread.

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