The HOTW VII - Setup Thread IV - We Talk Too Much

[Toni]

A good session with a decent # of turns.

Also Lz will u be playing with us anytime soon????

The whole group it quite disappointed

[Robert]

Yeah, LzPrst, we (China and India) have attacked Bulgaria, Arabia AND the Incas (!!!!!!) turned against us. The Incas by declaring full war, The Arabs by giving MANY units to Bulgaria.

We lost big time, if you would have been with us things might have been better! Where was Haakon, who lead the free nations of Terra against the Arabs?

[OzzyKP]

Scared no doubt, and after the whooping you guys got, I don't blame him.

[Robert]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
Scared no doubt, and after the whooping you guys got, I don't blame him.

Asoka was crazy, yes, but scared? nooooo
He wasn't scared for the devil himself!
Crazy: yes
Scared: noooooo

Not sure if he's still not scared for the devil, now he's dining with him after his execution

[OzzyKP]

I was talking about Lz who was too scared to even show up.

[Robert]

I know that, I was talking about Asoka.... 8)
As in: Lz was scared, Asoka was crazy :P

Now answer your PM

[Toni]

I say we let Ryk attack the vikings and get some cities so he can boost his civ if Lz doesn't show this friday as well. Ryk has this huge army, better to put it to something good.

Also i was thinking about the techs issue, should we gift some techs to the weakest techs civs? (I have no problem with that) The civ in need i think are Ryk and Conqs!

[OzzyKP]

I've been trying to boost the weakest civs a bit on my own, but within the guidelines of the 2-tech trade rule.

[Toni]

but within the guidelines of the 2-tech trade rule.

maybe we should ignore the rule for those tech gifts just this time to help out the others!

[OzzyKP]

Maybe the top players can each donate a settler to the bottom players to speed colonization in the new world for them.

[OzzyKP]

btw, for Kuno's benefit (and the rest of you):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu-Tang_Clan

[deity]

I'm a bit tired now but we definitely need to reflect on the TORaCTT rule. It just makes the top 3 or 4 players fly ahead, particularly with tech blocs.

With lz gone for 2 sessions now and all my established friendly civs running as AI as well my tech bloc is stuffed cos I can't trade with AI. So the two top players tech bloc will streak ahead now.

Losing lz has completely taken the dynamic out of the game. And with so many AI civs who are probably breaking the TORaCTT rule anyway we really need to re-visit it.

Eg, if lz or OT returned they'd be picking up their civs that might have benefited from inter-AI tech trading. So the rule is broke.

We either need no tech trading (which I prefer) OR total tech trading/gifting.

I suggest no more tech trading, othewise if Bulgaria and Arabia (and possibly England) choose a tight tech bloc no one will catch them or ever get the tech advantage to attack them - except possibly the Choson who can't take on both top civs. (And organising several civs to simultaneously take on the top 2 is fraught with disasters!)

I don't like artificially changing the game midway but we need to hear what everyone has to say... I'm uncertain as to what to do.

TORaCTT, in conjunction with unreliable players, has failed basically.

Need to think carefully about the design of the next game.

[deity]

But it's a brilliant game and we must perservere!!

[deity]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
I've been trying to boost the weakest civs a bit on my own, but within the guidelines of the 2-tech trade rule.

Good.

Yeah, I've gifted a galleon to 2 civs and gifted techs that I can't trade twice - in fact I've been doing that all game.

[deity]

Maybe we gift an agreed package of techs to the other civs so that they are at a common tech point. Then we say no tech trading...

ugh.. I hate it! So artificial