Civilization 4: Age of Empires 2 TBS edition

[vee4473]

well, the imagery of the icons is most definitely aoe-ish, and so are some of the improvements.

as well as the addition of having specific resources that help like having stone or marble to speed production.

other than the imagery though....

[MeteorPunch]

Why can't the attacker choose who he is attacking? With the new "rock, paper, scissors" system, an immense advantage is given to defenders. They need simply put a diverse group of defenders in a city, a city that now includes culture defense bonus and castle bonuses in addition to city walls.

A scenario for a new combat addition: you have some offensive units planning to attack 2 defenders on the same tile (not in a city). You choose your best attacker,a knight, to attack. The AI counters with his best defender, a pikeman. Seeing this, you should be able to cancel the attack and pull back you horses. Now both units have wasted a "move," and you can send a second unit to attack.

I think combat is a step (a baby one) in the right direction in Civ 4, but it needs a lot of refinement and additional commands other that simply moving your attacker into the same square as the enemy.

[Thrag]

"Why can't the attacker choose who he is attacking?"

Because that would simply suck. Defenders would have no chance at all. It would be so easy to take defending stacks apart unit by unit. Combat would be reduced to "attacker always wins unless they are really stupid".

[Fidel]

well, if ever there was a boastful poster, threadstarter is certainly one. 'here's my street cred, i mowed down thousands on ladder games' etc etc. just check his civfanatics thread to see...
the best posters on civfanatics thread were those who basically said 'i haven't played but i agree'. jesus. it is like when they wanted to ban books during socialist regime here. there was always a party member who would say 'comrades, i haven't read that filth but i have to say the following things about it...'
for chrissake....

[Solver]

Hmm, you don't know EoN then. He does have a boastful manner, but at least as far as Civ2 MP goes, that's not just talking.

[Fidel]

i said he was boastful. i need not check his entire biography to notice a character flaw.

[Arrian]

This is EoN? Oh, I remember his CivIII whine thread too. This time he toned down the "I'm the greatest civ player ever" part. Seriously.



-Arrian

[Aeson]

Originally posted by VetLegion
Heh, this is exactly what I was talking about (that Firaxis made a smart move). A negative post and WHAM two beta testers rush to respond in detail.

Yes, Firaxis made a smart move by listening to their fans in an attempt to make the best game they could.

Your insinuation that I am now a "yes man" for Firaxis is rather insulting though. Do you have the first shred of evidence to offer to back it up? Is my posting style in regards to CIV different than my posting style in regards to Civ III? Am I making unsupportable statements in support of CIV, or valid ones?

It should be easy for you to prove your point if it is valid. My posts are here for you to see. My reasoning regarding the OP is here in this thread for you to refute if you wish. The search is right up there for you to dig up my past posting history... Yet you've offered no evidence at all.

Having problems reading?

[VetLegion]

I have elaborated my point in a thread in the Civ4-General forum, no need to repeat it here.

[Solver]

And basically your point is that you are convinced that Firaxis made us beta-testers not to make a better game, but so that respected community members could advertise it. Great .

[VetLegion]

My point was elaborated in a separate thread, replied to, refuted if you will, and we both know better than to threadjack another thread to continue the same discussion.

[SirOsis]

Well, I hadn't read the previously mentioned thread and wondered what VetLegion was talking about. I'll make an assumption that this is the thread in question.

So others can check it for themselves.

[VetLegion]

Cool, yes, that's the one. I was lazy to search for the link myself. Hopefully this thread is now back to its regular schedule

[Aeson]

Originally posted by VetLegion
I have elaborated my point in a thread in the Civ4-General forum, no need to repeat it here.

I have read that thread. Nowhere in it do you give the faintest suggestion of evidence of your theory as to the intent of Firaxis, or it's effect on the beta testers. It's simply conjecture on your part.

What's the difference now that makes the topic not up for discussion in this thread though? You were more than willing to bring the topic up here...

[VetLegion]

I don't want to threadjack because I am hoping StarLightDeath will follow up on your reply. His critique is the most sensible one so far (which says much itself), your reply thoroughly challenged it and I want to see how this continues.