comparison game for woodan and whom else

[wodan11]

The advantage could be eliminated by allowing everyone to take a gander on the first turn.

[rah]

Even if it was allowed I doubt I'd do it.

[brandonjm8]

But you do get to see local strategic resources. Quite an advantage.

i make it a point to not too and for the most part i dont remember, plus i build scouts as early as possible to get huts and map out the continent so i see them anyways. there is a necessary evil when i do remodel but until i figure out how to change the programming theres nothing i can do but i try not to give me an advantage for i want no help.

[brandonjm8]

The advantage could be eliminated by allowing everyone to take a gander on the first turn.

i agree, or until someone with programming expertise can show me how to change those things and not have to remodel.

[wodan11]

i agree, or until someone with programming expertise can show me how to change those things and not have to remodel.

Or... you could just play the map as is?

/I have never used that smiley before. Feeling pleased with myself at the moment.

[Ming]

You have to look real close to change all desert/tundra to plains, and remove the ice. You get a real good view of the entire world in the process. While the AI doesn't have cities yet, you will see them whether you are looking for them or not while you do changes. You will even see who and if you share a continent is, and any strategic resourses. You may even decide not to play a certain map if it doesn't have the resources you want.

Please explain why you even need to do this in the first place. Can't your "strategy" handle desert, tundra and ice... There is really no good reason why this has to be done, so there is really no good reason why should be able to look at the map and nobody else gets to.

And again, why not use the locked assets option? You might claim you didn't know how to in the past, but now you do know, and you have set up a different game since you were told.

[Ming]

Or you could just play the map as is?

Isn't that the truth...

[Theben]

I might add it would be hard not to notice hut placement when doing so... and I doubt one would handicap themselves to avoid them when they know where they are.

[Ming]

Seeing the map is a HUGE advantage. And it's realy unrealistic to think that if you are taking the time to find every desert and tundra square that you aren't going to see important data.

Again, what is the rationale for making those changes. It only helps the player since the AI will build cities ANYWHERE. A strategy that depends on no tundra or desert squares is kind of a limited one.

A fair comparison game is one where none of the players has seen the map, and is one using the locked assets option.

[brandonjm8]

Or... you could just play the map as is?

/I have never used that smiley before. Feeling pleased with myself at the moment.

then it wouldnt be "MY SETTINGS", im not the only one that changes terrain . if i like playing maps with max usable land than thats the way i like to play, if you dont thats fine, doesnt mean ones superior to the other. no ones opinions are better than the others no matter how strongly you feel for them.

[brandonjm8]

I might add it would be hard not to notice hut placement when doing so... and I doubt one would handicap themselves to avoid them when they know where they are.

your assuming i scan for everything when im changing deserts ect, sorry to pop your balloon but i dont. i look for deserts and tundra then change them to plains then i look for ice (usually but i forgot to my last upload) and erase those 2 squares within any land. you have no idea how big my maps are , remembering everything your cautious of would require taking screenshots and writing them down if not remembering everything everywhere, thats not something i do, i make it a point to not look and/or remember and thus far ive been doing good not remembering for my own advantages, early game i may remember where the continents are or something like that but i play marathon so getting to optics can take awhile and by then im on my 2nd or 3rd day playing it and have forgotten everything. the only real question is whether you want to believe me or stick to your thought that i cheat for some reason, if you really think i cheat then you disregard all info i say or you can take me on my word and accept i try really hard NOT to remember or give myself an advantage. if i knew how to change the programming to get rid of deserts ect whilst not messing up the mapscript im all for it.

[brandonjm8]

Seeing the map is a HUGE advantage. And it's realy unrealistic to think that if you are taking the time to find every desert and tundra square that you aren't going to see important data.

Again, what is the rationale for making those changes. It only helps the player since the AI will build cities ANYWHERE. A strategy that depends on no tundra or desert squares is kind of a limited one.

A fair comparison game is one where none of the players has seen the map, and is one using the locked assets option.

well your extremely bias and already made up your mind. i have no desire to clarify myself to you, you have and will continue to believe whatever it is you want even if you are proven wrong.

also if you looked at my latest upload from my current ottoman game and you could verify this with brael, our stone is on plains , oops looks like i didnt commit fraud and i didnt cheat, even wodan told you strategic resources can be on grass hills and yet you havent even apologized for accusing me of cheating/fruad, therefore i have no interest in what you say and/or think for above mentioned reasons, being opinionated is one thing treating someone like garbage by being condescending/patronizing then accusing them of cheating is another matter entirely.

[Ming]

well your extremely bias and already made up your mind. i have no desire to clarify myself to you, you have and will continue to believe whatever it is you want even if you are proven wrong.

In other words, you won't take the time to defend why you look at the map.

also if you looked at my latest upload from my current ottoman game and you could verify this with brael, our stone is on plains , oops looks like i didnt commit fraud and i didnt cheat, even wodan told you strategic resources can be on grass hills and yet you havent even apologized for accusing me of cheating/fruad, therefore i have no interest in what you say and/or think for above mentioned reasons, being opinionated is one thing treating someone like garbage by being condescending/patronizing then accusing them of cheating is another matter entirely.

Just because it can happen, doesn't mean you didn't add it, or keep resetting until stone was available.
When you use WB, you leave it open for discussion. If you didn't change the map, or look at it, then it would never be an issue. But since you do, it is possible. And that's a fact.

And your whole, I don't see stuff response to looking at the map is questionable at best.
Yep, you have to find all the desert and tundra to change it, and all the ice to remove it, but you don't see anything... I'll leave it to others to make up their own mind on that.

[Ming]

if i like playing maps with max usable land than thats the way i like to play, if you dont thats fine, doesnt mean ones superior to the other. no ones opinions are better than the others no matter how strongly you feel for them.

Max usable land for who? The AI will build on desert and tundra, so it doesn't change anything for the AI. So you are admitting that you are rigging the map for the human. You just don't want to build less than optimal cities, which the AI will. And if you don't build on them, the AI will. So, advantage for the human... a rig. And in the process of rigging the game in your favor, you also get a free look at the map. Sounds fair if you are only playing a SP game... but a comparison game...

[Theben]

your assuming i scan for everything when im changing deserts ect, sorry to pop your balloon but i dont. i look for deserts and tundra then change them to plains then i look for ice (usually but i forgot to my last upload) and erase those 2 squares within any land. you have no idea how big my maps are , remembering everything your cautious of would require taking screenshots and writing them down if not remembering everything everywhere, thats not something i do, i make it a point to not look and/or remember and thus far ive been doing good not remembering for my own advantages,

You don't have to remember everything, just what's near your starting position. Regardless of the size of your maps the immediate land around your capital is the same size as everyone else. My memory ain't too good these days but I sure can remember where that iron deposit and nearby huts are in the games I do peek into the WB. I would hope your memory isn't worse than mine!