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  • Montezuma

    That guy is just a complete madman, isn't he?

    Had him first in my recent game, he was declaring wars all the time, against other AIs, andthen - while still battling them - against me. Of course, after a while he overextendet himself and got owned, finally (two wars later) destroyed.

    Are there any other leader personalities which are similar troublemakers?
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  • #2
    Tokugawa and Shaka are similar, but Monte is more warlike than any. Isabella can be like that if she's large and you are a different religion.
    I'm consitently stupid- Japher
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    • #3
      Monty is psychotic, and IIRC was deliberately coded that way.

      Shaka is pretty fiesty too. Tokugawa, not so much. He's ornery, but I rarely see him picking fights. He's usually weak as hell b/c he's such a xenophobe.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Arrian View Post
        He's usually weak as hell b/c he's such a xenophobe.
        I usually play with tech trading off, and as a result Toku usually does quite well.

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        • #5
          I play with tech trading off as well... and unless Toku gets great land, he usually falls behind everybody in Techs.
          Keep on Civin'
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          • #6
            I had Monty and Shaka and Isabella surrounding me a few games ago....needless to say it sucked.

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            • #7
              Shaka can be a real bastard with his EXP trait and maintenance bonus with cheap barracks. I tried duplicating the NA rushes with his spearmen, figuring cheap barracks+aggressive+mobility would be ideal. Unfortunately it took too long to set up.
              I'm consitently stupid- Japher
              I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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              • #8
                Shaka's barracks help with maintenance but are more expensive than usual by 20 hammers.

                Two other nuts are the Mongol leaders, who will start a war with no advantage to themselves, disrupting you when your retaliation ability may not stretch far enough to hit back. Ghenghis (and Monty for that matter) are very mercenary, going to war for low bribes, quitting for same, then switching sides. This means any of their units near, but not in, your territories are a threat at all times.

                Kublai is a real pain about settling in areas surrounded by your cultural borders. Because he is creative, its hard to overwhelm him with culture. He too will start a war at the drop of a hat or join in on one.
                No matter where you go, there you are. - Buckaroo Banzai
                "I played it [Civilization] for three months and then realised I hadn't done any work. In the end, I had to delete all the saved files and smash the CD." Iain Banks, author

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ming View Post
                  I play with tech trading off as well... and unless Toku gets great land, he usually falls behind everybody in Techs.
                  Hmm. Maybe because I make sure he gets my religion before he closes borders. He's a very reliable ally.

                  Originally posted by Silentradar View Post
                  I had Monty and Shaka and Isabella surrounding me a few games ago....needless to say it sucked.
                  Shoot, piece of cake. Spread your state religion to Izzy, spread another to Monty, and a third to Shaka. Get popcorn, sit back, and watch the fireworks. Heh.

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                  • #10
                    Tok will usually not allow open borders early.

                    Even the same religion may not be enough for monty since a +3 for him is still cautious and usually before it can get to +4, he's dropped a city right on the edge of your culture so you're -1 for that. And Hell, even when you're +7 with him it's no guarantee. The NA once went after me when I was at +17 (i was higher on the power graph at the time but moved a large stack out of my cap to SUPPORT HIM IN war, i guess the opportunity was too much for him to pass up.
                    It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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                    • #11
                      Montezuma rightly pisses me off sometimes. In my last game, he offered to be my Vassal. As he was so far away and I was hurting financially fighting 4 other wars at the time I said no. Next turn he Declares War on me! He didn't even Vassalize to someone else! That guy is very annoying! lol
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                      • #12
                        Ragnar can be a real pain sometimes too if you become weaker than he is. Same with Alexander. They're both opportunist when it comes to waging wars, and will take advantage of any sort of weakness on your part. Which menas they'll jump in against you if you've been taking a beating by someone like Shaka. Napolean falls into that category as well.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Willem View Post
                          Ragnar can be a real pain sometimes too if you become weaker than he is. Same with Alexander. They're both opportunist when it comes to waging wars, and will take advantage of any sort of weakness on your part. Which menas they'll jump in against you if you've been taking a beating by someone like Shaka. Napolean falls into that category as well.
                          As does Hannibal. Ragnar and Hannibal are not good neighbors.
                          No matter where you go, there you are. - Buckaroo Banzai
                          "I played it [Civilization] for three months and then realised I hadn't done any work. In the end, I had to delete all the saved files and smash the CD." Iain Banks, author

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Blaupanzer View Post
                            Ragnar and Hannibal are not good neighbors.
                            One thing about Ragnar is he doesn't mind an early war. I've had him declare on me after only getting a couple of cities up. I don't recall any other leader declaring as early as him, which definitely doesn't make him a good neighbour.

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                            • #15
                              The nice thing about ragnar is, he declares war early, you destroy his invading army because it's just not big enough... demand money for ten turns of peace... repeat cycle.

                              It's good for the economy and you get an early Great General and some well promoted troops
                              Keep on Civin'
                              RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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