Apostolic Palace related question

[ce61agg]

Hello!

so, in this game i'm currently playing, the koreans are controlling the Apostolic Palace and i'm at war with them (they declared on me). I'm the only other civ that participates in the apostolic palace, as they spread their religion to one of my cities.

I'm about to conquer one of their cities, but i'm concerned that they will then pass a "return city to its rightful owner" kind of resolution.

If i burn it to the ground and build a new one, will the new city still be "rightfully theirs" or will that prevent them from passing such a resolution?

I expect the culture in the area is comfortably korean, although as the city is on the border, some of my culture will also be present.

thanks

[Felch]

Most people here will tell you to burn any city that is not special (wonder, critical resource, etc.) I usually leave them standing, since my method is to capture a few cities, make peace, and repeat once the captured cities are calm. I don't usually play with the Apostolic Palace in the game, because I don't like these sorts of situations.

I don't believe a new city would be considered "theirs" although it will have issues with the culture. If it's on the border, my experience is that you will be fine.

[ColdPhoenix]

The Apostolistic Palace city resolution sometimes occuers based on culture too. I've often had the option to propose a resolution to have a city that has never been mine to join my civ when the city in question has pressure from my culture. So you may raise it and build your own only to have the same problem occur.

Why not spread the religion throughout your cities and capture a couple more of theirs (preferably the shrine city) so that you have the greatest number of votes!!

Alternatively, capture it and whip a few units out before gifting it back to improve relations.

If possible the best is to capture a few of their high population cities and trying to become the strongest voting power.

[Lord Avalon]

You can defy the resolution if you don't like it.

[joncnunn]

Re: Apostolic Palace related question

As far as I know returning a city to the rightful owner isn't allowed as long as the rightful owner is at war with the curent owner.

In addition, if such a vote were to be held after peace, the current owner could vote Never.

Still, you might want to uh enlarge your share of the AP vote realtive to his during the war if possible.
And if he ownes the AP city, you might want to capture it if practical as well.

Originally posted by ce61agg
Hello!

so, in this game i'm currently playing, the koreans are controlling the Apostolic Palace and i'm at war with them (they declared on me). I'm the only other civ that participates in the apostolic palace, as they spread their religion to one of my cities.

I'm about to conquer one of their cities, but i'm concerned that they will then pass a "return city to its rightful owner" kind of resolution.

If i burn it to the ground and build a new one, will the new city still be "rightfully theirs" or will that prevent them from passing such a resolution?

I expect the culture in the area is comfortably korean, although as the city is on the border, some of my culture will also be present.

thanks

[Willem]

Originally posted by ce61agg
If i burn it to the ground and build a new one, will the new city still be "rightfully theirs" or will that prevent them from passing such a resolution?

It won't do any good to raze it if the Koreans culture is too strong. That happened to me once, I built a city in this little cranny that was almost surrounded by another civ's culture. I had a few squares to work and I was trying to push my borders out with my own culture. Along comes a resolution ordering me to give the city that I had founded over to the civ with the dominant culture in the area. I had to declare war a couple of times in order to take it back as the same resolution came up again later.

[Unimatrix11]

I just want to point out, that ´increasing your vote´ is contradictionary to ´defy the resolution´. If you only have two cities (one of yours + the captured) with the AP religion, maybe you wanna keep it like that, so that, if you defy a resolution the unhappiness-penalty will only strike those two cities. On the other hand, if you plan to expand further into their territory, capturing more AP-religion cities, this becomes less of an alternative.

So, maybe the best idea would be to keep the AP-religion low, as long as you wouldnt have a chance to win the vote, even if all of your cities had the AP-religion, so you can defy resolutions with minimum penaltey. If said condition is not met anymore, tho, spread the APR to all of your cities ASAP, so you no long have to defy resolutuions.

[Solomwi]

Re: Apostolic Palace related question

Originally posted by ce61agg
Hello!

so, in this game i'm currently playing, the koreans are controlling the Apostolic Palace and i'm at war with them (they declared on me). I'm the only other civ that participates in the apostolic palace, as they spread their religion to one of my cities.

I'm about to conquer one of their cities, but i'm concerned that they will then pass a "return city to its rightful owner" kind of resolution.

If i burn it to the ground and build a new one, will the new city still be "rightfully theirs" or will that prevent them from passing such a resolution?

I expect the culture in the area is comfortably korean, although as the city is on the border, some of my culture will also be present.

thanks

As far as I know, the "new" city will be just as much theirs as the old would have. Ownership in this sense is based on relative culture in the city tile. Since razing and replacing won't have a significant effect on the tile's culture ratio, it won't change who the city's "rightful owner" is.

In fact, depending on the situation, razing may be detrimental to your cause. If the city has enough citizens for you to run some artists, either under Caste System or after throwing up a quick theater, or has multiple religions, you'll be able to start generating culture more quickly than you would starting from scratch. Even if it's small, it could retain some infrastructure that a you would want to build in a new city before concentrating more on culture.