UN Resolutions and Corps Qs

[Strudo]

Hi.

Was playing a BtS game last night. I was head of the UN and proposed the "Free Religion" resolution. From what I can tell, the resolution got enough votes to pass, but failed. The only unusual thing was that one of the other civs defied the resolution. The civ in question was a vassal of a third civ.What is the effect of defying a resolution? I can only find info that civs can defy a resolution, but nothing about how that effects things gamewise.

ANow for the question about corporations. I founded the ethanol corp and started spreading that around. The description says it consumes corn, sugar and rice and produces oil. After adding it to a city, that city produced 18 oil, but the benefits for the corn, sugar and rice were still available. Is this how it's suppose to work? I had assumed the point was that if my civ didn't have oil, I could use that corp to provide oil in some cities at the expense of the other resources. Is there really a point to having some cities with 18 oil resources and other with only 2?

Currently using the 3.17 unofficial patch, although I did start that game without the unofficial patch applied.

Thanks

Simon

[ColdPhoenix]

If a civ defies a resolution then the resolution fails and the civ who defies gets unhappy citizens for the defiance.

Corporations use resources to provide additional resources to the city without using up the effect that the resources would normally provide. There will be no benefit to a city having more than one oil, that corp is meant to be used if you don't have any oil and so will allow the cities where the corp is to produce units that require oil. I've never used that corporation as I usually have oil or capture it if I don't. The food producng corporations are much better.

[TriMiro]

The Ethanol corporation would give you oil if you have rice sugar and corn, however, you will still get all the other benefits from the sugar rice and corn. You also get some beakers.

Ethanol and Aluminum should be used if you don't have the corresponding resources, otherwise other corps would be more beneficial.

[Blaupanzer]

Originally posted by ColdPhoenix
If a civ defies a resolution then the resolution fails and the civ who defies gets unhappy citizens for the defiance.

Not sure this is correct. I have defied resolutions which passed anyway. I got the unhappiness in spades. However when an AI defied a resolution that failed, nothing happened to him. (I had a sufficient spy lead to examine his cities and he had no unhappiness showing for that action.)

[ColdPhoenix]

They/you definitely defied rather than just voting no?

[Felch]

Defy means that if it passes it doesn't apply to you. That's important in certain circumstances. For example, I was doing an OCC where Free Speech came up. I liked the advantages of Bureaucracy more, so I defied. Luckily I wasn't alone, and the measure failed.

[Blaupanzer]

Yes. It was a war resolution against the only friendly (to me) civ in that game. So I defied. All the other members went to war anyway -- with the sounding of lots of horns and such. I was quickly overwhelmed by the unhappiness which increased turn after turn. Not a pleasant experience.

In my recent games, I have turned off diplomatic victory due to the exploits available there. So no Palace or UN and no resolutions. Actually feels more like the real world in all honesty.

Edited 12 Aug 08.

[Jaybe]

What has puzzled me is when I am bold and defy an AP resolution, but it results in NO unhappiness, whether in the AP's religion cities or not, regardless of their size.

3.17 + Solver's Un-Off. Patch.

[Blaupanzer]

Did the resolution pass? Might make a difference as to whether or not the misery ensues.

[Jaybe]

OF COURSE it Failed! I DEFIED it, and that results in the resolution FAILING.

Felch is incorrect in implying that defying a resolution results only in YOUR not being subject to it. It means that it fails and NOBODY is subject to it.

[jbp26]

Originally posted by Jaybe
Felch is incorrect in implying that defying a resolution results only in YOUR not being subject to it. It means that it fails and NOBODY is subject to it.

Jaybe is right. If anyone defies, the whole thing fails, although I agree that that doesn't really make sense.

[sowings]

Originally posted by ColdPhoenix
There will be no benefit to a city having more than one oil, that corp is meant to be used if you don't have any oil and so will allow the cities where the corp is to produce units that require oil. I've never used that corporation as I usually have oil or capture it if I don't.

I had a fun one tonight, though. I had a (saved) great scientist when Aluminum Co. became available. I hadn't yet researched Industrialism (?--whichever reveals Alumi on the map), but was intent on building Apollo. So I founded Aluminum Co. in the (builder) city that was to build Apollo. Nice double-speed build before having to (or being able to) mine aluminum.

[Felch]

Originally posted by Jaybe
Felch is incorrect in implying that defying a resolution results only in YOUR not being subject to it. It means that it fails and NOBODY is subject to it.

Sorry about feeding bad info, bro. That was just how I understood it.

I think it must only produce unhappiness if the resolution fails because you defied. If it was beaten on a straight vote, then no unhappiness. After all you can't defy something beaten democratically. That seems the only plausible explanation.

[Unimatrix11]

Originally posted by Felch


After all you can't defy something beaten democratically.

Pah ! I can. And I will ! And i do ! Whenever it strikes MY fancy. Defyito ergo sum !

[The Priest]

If anyone defies, the whole thing fails, although I agree that that doesn't really make sense.

Sadly that is the way the world works - China just needs to pop up and says 'veto' and the UN will sit on its hands while the killing continues.

Madness yes, but true to life. This also justifies the big happiness penalties if you do defy. Any country however tiny can stop the UN doing anything in Civ, but there is a real penalty - if you just don't like the resolution, or would prefer not, then just vote against.

I think that the AP and UN are great in Civ because they come out of the blue and are fundamentally out of my control. A demand to stop trading with Bismark who I have good relations with. What do i do? Do I risk defying? A real pain, yes, but only in the same way as being suddnely invaded is. I like surprises and challenge, not just the slow and steady rolling out of my steamroller.

The only thing I find frustrating is the uncertainty and erraticness of when votes come up, what can be voted for, and how long it lasts. E.g. in that case I didn't defy and broke off relations with Bismark, but it was never clear to me how long the no traded would last, or how to bring it to an end even when, for example, I then defied the next resolution (a war resolution) and ended up at war with everyone but Bismark.