Rush buying Wonders help please!

[snoopy369]

As far as I know it still is, but I'm not entirely sure. I don't often allow that much overflow

Blau, you indeed lose hammers if you don't set it to producing something. This avoids the precise exploit rah describes, of pre-building a wonder (or whatever), which is not supposed to be possible

[Grandpa Troll]

Well, many good points here, questions I could not answer but knew Poly Players could



Maybe someone will come up with a recipe for which I am seeking

[rah]

I was also thinking MP games where you're using a timer and the turn ends before you finish your turn.

All the cities with empty queues lose?

Or just another penalty for playing slow.

[ColdPhoenix]

Originally posted by Jaybe
Build Science/Gold/Culture, and chop forest (sprouted by preserves). Chopped hammers are retained until you are producing something again, and are counted in full.

It's my understanding that chopped and overflow hammers are retained as hammers until you start building. Not sure about counted in full, I thought that after ten turns or so the stored hammers reduce by a hammer per turn or so.

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by rah
I was also thinking MP games where you're using a timer and the turn ends before you finish your turn.

All the cities with empty queues lose?

Or just another penalty for playing slow.

Yep

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by ColdPhoenix


It's my understanding that chopped and overflow hammers are retained as hammers until you start building. Not sure about counted in full, I thought that after ten turns or so the stored hammers reduce by a hammer per turn or so.

Again, this is incorrect. You retain the overflow from the last turn of completed building, but you do not accumulate further overflow when the build is set to nothing. I've gone several turns without being able to log into by PTBS games, and I've never had a large overflow available to me.

[ColdPhoenix]

So are chopped hammers then converted to gold/beakers or lost entirely when the city is "building" wealth/research?

I'll check when I'm back in a couple of hours but it always seemed to me that cities building research that have had a forest chopped build their next building more quickly.

If I'm wrong I might stop each worker the turn before the chop is finished on the (roaded) forest in future. In that case 4 workers can instantly add 4 forests worth of hammers to the wonder on the turn I start building it.

[Unimatrix11]

This is the kind of behaviour that turns a competetive MP-Game into a micromanagement-nightmare. If i was in the game, i´d try to establish a house-rule that forbids it.

[ColdPhoenix]

I don't play MP but I wouldn't have thought you'd have time to do that in MP?

Although it may seem that way from my earlier post I'm not much of a micromanager myself. I tend to micro at the start but then do less and less as time goes on (by the middle ages all my workers are automated apart from one or two "special workers"). I've never done the above but would only possibly try it for the oracle (and maybe great library) but not for anything else.

[ColdPhoenix]

I've just checked and the hammers from chopping are stored when you're building research.

Thankfully!

[rah]

I have no problems with pre chops in MP games. Early in the game when you have nothing else to do you have time for it. The main reason I have no problem with it is that most of the time people will screw it up. Forget they're prechopping and finish chopping before they want to. Forget the square they prechopped and mess up their timing later. It's not that big a thing. I don't do it often. (mainly because I usually screw it up)

The only time I do it seriously is right before I discover math. I may delay completion by a turn so I get full value.

[Blaupanzer]

I do like Rah at math-time, delay the choppers for a few turns in order to get the full number of hammers post the tech. I do micromanage quite a bit, but games take a month or so at a few hours a session, so I try not to set up elaborate long-term schemes. I will only screw those up.

[Jaybe]

Signs, signs, everywhere put a SIGN!
Cities where my airports are, where minority religion monastaries are (for after scientific method), where to chop (particularly if it has been PRE-chopped).

I often have to put signs so my plans become worker actions. "w"indmill/watermill, "i"rrigate, etc. Then I take the individual signs down as the job is started or completed.

[Blaupanzer]

JB, you put these signs there how exactly? I am aware of markings at strat level, but no other. Actually sounds like a good idea for "minority religion monastaries" or for noting which towns have a specific building in the queue (and which one's don't, but might need such later).

[rah]

Originally posted by Jaybe
Signs, signs, everywhere put a SIGN!

I think we've found the micro-management winner.