Capitulation

[Lambiorix_be]

I am still puzzled by the capitulation logic.

It was said that the capitulation threshold was lowered but it doesn't seem to have any effect.

I was at the last straight line towards the creation & launching of my spaceship when I was drawn into war with Ghengis Kahn through my defensive pact with Boudica.

The mongolian empire was on a continent very far away and I had plenty of ICBM. So I started launching them on all his major cities (I didn't care about the global warming since my spaceship was almost ready). After every attack I checked if he was ready to accept capitulation and he never was, even after I hit every city and some major cities even several times. His empire was for more then 90% covered in fall out pollution, his power fell from number three to the last place and still he did not want to capitulate. I kept doing this until my space race vicory (the space trip took 6 turns and every turn I detonated nukes on top of him)

Is it because I did not actually capture any of his cities? In a world filled with ICBM that should not have to be a factor...

[wodan11]

Capitulation AFAIK is primarily determined by land size and the power graph. When you expended your ICBMs you actually lowered your own power.

[Lambiorix_be]

I indeed expended my stockpile first, but every turn I created 1 or 2 new ICBM. Which off course I launched immediately towards the Mongolians

Shouldn't it be more logical that you surrender to the evil power that is capable and willing to keep pounding you with nukes. I know I would

[johnmcd]

Originally posted by Lambiorix_be
I indeed expended my stockpile first, but every turn I created 1 or 2 new ICBM. Which off course I launched immediately towards the Mongolians

Shouldn't it be more logical that you surrender to the evil power that is capable and willing to keep pounding you with nukes. I know I would

Current affairs would suggest that having nukes and the desire to attack isn't always enough to secure capitulation. If it was too predictable it would become an exploit anyway.

[rah]

taking a few cities is the usual prescribed path.
Works almost every time for me.

[Unimatrix11]

I know i woudlnt capitulate: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...hreadid=178525

[mkorin]

I think the capitulation threshold is too low. I am currently playing a game on Prince, Huge map, I have a perm ally and am marginally stronger than the AIs. I took the first vassal after taking five cities, the second vassal after taking one city. The third vassal after taking 3 cities, the fourth vassal after 1 city and the fifth after just killing a couple SODs, but taking no cities. About to start the war with the soon to be sixth vassal and that will put me over the top for a domination win. Basically going from 20% to the 56% in a couple of hours.

Mike

[Unimatrix11]

I think the Capitulation threshold is within the Leader-AIs, it is different for each leader. I know at least of Frederick, that he capitulates when a dead leave lands on his forehead, which is historically soooo inaccurate...

But i guess they should be pretty easily modable, if one wants to do that and figures out which number in what file to alter...

[snoopy369]

One significant factor that may have mattered is distance. The AI won't vassalize (or at least not easily) if you're far away, even late in the game; so you probably were too far away to get an easier capitulation. Certainly taking a city or two would help, also ...