serfdom does not apply to lumbermills?

[guermantes]

Hi,

This is another one of those questions that I never asked but which always have puzzled me.

It seems like switching to serfdom has no effect for the building of lumbermills. Without serfdom a lumbermill takes 6 worker turns. And after switching to serfdom (which should have my workers build improvements faster by 50%) a new lumbermill still requires 6 worker turns. (This is well after the anarchy has ended and for old as well and new orders.)

At least since BTS has it been like this for me, and I have uninstalled and reinstalled completely a few times already but this never changes.

Any clues, anyone?

[Julian Delphiki]

Sounds like a bug if there's no effect from serfdom for build lumbermills. I cannot check right now... maybe i'll remember when i get home or someone confirms this before that.

[rjmatsleepers]

Re: serfdom does not apply to lumbermills?

Originally posted by guermantes
Hi,

This is another one of those questions that I never asked but which always have puzzled me.

It seems like switching to serfdom has no effect for the building of lumbermills. Without serfdom a lumbermill takes 6 worker turns. And after switching to serfdom (which should have my workers build improvements faster by 50%) a new lumbermill still requires 6 worker turns. (This is well after the anarchy has ended and for old as well and new orders.)

At least since BTS has it been like this for me, and I have uninstalled and reinstalled completely a few times already but this never changes.

Any clues, anyone?

I thought serfdom affected city buildings, not terrain improvements, but I've just checked and I was wrong. I've been playing under a mistaken understanding of serfdom for years!

RJM

[Hauptman]

well that makes no sense.


I usually dont use serfdom. I just built more workers. But I have noticed, that the 50% bonus works wierd, Using stacks of six workers to build my railroads(marathon), serfdom only dropped it to 5. So what you are likely seeing is the turns beeing rounded up, and the bonus doesnt actually apply? Yeh ya got me wondering now, think I'll load up a game and actually try that civic again.

[joncnunn]

I play normal speed. There are many cases in which rounding is involved that results in serfdom's advantage being less than 50%. But Lumbermills & Watermills are actualy some of the more noticable drops with serfdom than without.

Roads/Railroads is often no advantage on light terraign post tech that doubles worker speed.

Anyway Serfdom is my normal default pre Emancipation civic in BTS. It has lower maintenance than Serfdom, doesn't have the random slave revolt associated to the Slavery civic, and I just build the buildings for specalists.

[VoiceOfUnreason]

Your numbers seem weird to me. At normal speed, I get

8 turns out of the gate
6 turns with a 50% bonus
4 turns with 2 x 50% bonus

With 50% bonuses provided by Serfdom, Hagia Sofia, and Steam Power (which obsoletes the Hag).

All of that is consistent with an iTime of 800 for lumbermills, with worker turns valued at 100.

WorkRate seems to be completely controlled by
CvPlayer.processBuilding
CvPlayer.processCivics
CvTeam.processTech


My best guess is that you are inadvertently comparing No Serfdom + Steam Power (or Hag Sofia) to Serfdom alone.

[Garth Vader]

I checked last night, and it was 12 turns for a lumbermill (epic speed) and it was 8 turns with Serfdom. That's without the HS, or steam power. I am running the unofficial patch.

[guermantes]

Can I really have been so stupid? I have distinct memories from several games that the numbers don't change. I will have to reload an old save and play through a couple of lumber mill turns....

[guermantes]

Well, what can I say, I stand very much corrected. 8 worker turns before serfdom and 6 afterwards, on normal speed. I wonder what I was thinking? I have been convinced that serfdom has no effect on lumbermills for several months. I seem to have made the same mistake in game after game. Sorry for the mixup....