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    Defying resolutions...

    Something silly happened in my latest game. UN vote for stopping war against me came up. I voted yes, I'm a peacefull guy, atleast when I'm the underdog. Here's a screenshot of the results.



    Noo, Hammurabi defied the resolution, war goes on. The silly part being, he is a vassal of Charlemagne, who voted yes... I thought vassals were supposed to vote as their master did? In any case, this is really stupid, Hammurabi is effectively forcing his master to keep on fighting a war he doesn't want. And "Friendly" Pericles votes "sure, keep on killing his people"...

    Now, though, it was Charlemagne who started it... Which was another point alltogether. He tries to take a small city of mine, fails, I get him to speak to me in few turns... But he doesn't want anything for peace. He'd rather keep on fighting. Not that I'd give him anything... But it seems, his war doesn't have any sort of goal. Other than spill some blood. And it goes on and on... Does he not get war weariness? I kill everything he throws at me, if I were squandering units like that, my nation would be falling apart from WW. There's no way out of this war.
    I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"
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    Hum, have anyone else declare war on him, so that he may be willing to end war on you, being busy with the other guy.

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    • #3
      Hmm, after i've taken a city or two, the AI can't drop it's pants fast enough for peace. But If you're playing with the AP, make sure you whip that city or two to uselessness before they make you give it back.
      Which is why in the rare game where I actually play with that option on, the city that builds the AP is the first target for razing.
      It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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      • #4
        Originally posted by rah
        Hmm, after i've taken a city or two, the AI can't drop it's pants fast enough for peace. But If you're playing with the AP, make sure you whip that city or two to uselessness before they make you give it back.
        Which is why in the rare game where I actually play with that option on, the city that builds the AP is the first target for razing.
        I razed AP only once, because it forced my main ally to declare war on me (10 turns of war without much fighting). I always try to control it. If i am the one building it, i convert to the reliogion in that i'm the most influent a few turns before achieving it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Vampgelus


          I razed AP only once, because it forced my main ally to declare war on me (10 turns of war without much fighting). I always try to control it. If i am the one building it, i convert to the reliogion in that i'm the most influent a few turns before achieving it.
          I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish with changing religion while building the Apostolic Palace. It gets assigned to whatever religion you were when you started building it, and it does not change from that no matter how many times you change state religion.

          In my last game, I changed to (nearly) everyone else's religion (from Hinduism to Judaism) the turn before starting the Apostolic Palace build, just to have wider influence. I am still not sure whether it was such a good idea in that case. It gave others bigger shares of the overall vote than I intended.
          If you aren't confused,
          You don't understand.

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          • #6
            AP gets the religion you have at the start of building? I didn't know that!

            To have wider influence in the AP, you need to have a religion that no one else has (like the one you have if you're first to discover Theocracy [default Christianity]). Then you spread it to all your cities, but sparingly to opponents - like one low pop, low production city per opponent. That will help ensure you have the most votes.
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            • #7
              True, but if you have enough votes to win a diplomatic victory just from your own voting bloc, as I understand it, they won't even offer you the resolution. Perhaps that's one way to help control things.
              Age and treachery will defeat youth and skill every time.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Quillan
                True, but if you have enough votes to win a diplomatic victory just from your own voting bloc, as I understand it, they won't even offer you the resolution. Perhaps that's one way to help control things.
                Not true. I believe the rule is that every team in the game must have at least one city with the AP religion in order for the resolution to come up. Regardless, I have voted myself a diplomatic victory using the AP. It required like 1100 votes and I had 1200 or so
                You've just proven signature advertising works!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Seedle

                  Not true. I believe the rule is that every team in the game must have at least one city with the AP religion in order for the resolution to come up. Regardless, I have voted myself a diplomatic victory using the AP. It required like 1100 votes and I had 1200 or so
                  Not true, i won a diplomatic victory on a continents map, before even discover other continents.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by eris
                    I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish with changing religion while building the Apostolic Palace. It gets assigned to whatever religion you were when you started building it, and it does not change from that no matter how many times you change state religion.
                    Not true, I tested it. If you change religions while building the AP, and the city that is building it doesn't have the new state religion, it will simply be unable to continue building. If the city you are building it in does have the new state religion, then it simply continues. Regardless, what religion you are when you complete the AP determines it's alignment, not what religion you are when you start it.
                    The U of Sankore and Spiral Minaret also are based on what you are when they finish, but don't require the state religion be present in the city you build them in.

                    Originally posted by Vampgelus
                    Not true, i won a diplomatic victory on a continents map, before even discover other continents.
                    Actually according to the Civilopedia (check AP/UN under "New to BtS" or whatever) it is true. Of course, the civilopedia has been known to be inaccurate/incomplete before. I also have never been offered the resolution unless everyone can vote, but the AP's voting structure and how it decides what resolutions to offer are confusing to put it mildly.
                    As for your game, you may have not discovered the other continent, but maybe someone else did? Maybe it was Terra?
                    You've just proven signature advertising works!

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