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  • #16
    The ONLY good game is one that isn't winnable very often by even the best players. It gives me a target to aim for.
    I would argue the exact opposite - it gives me a target to avoid, because it means I'll have to put work and time into my entertainment, which is not something I like.

    If you feel bad about playing at the lowest levels, put some effort into learning the game instead of being a lazy sod.
    I would argue that the bolded things are things that, conceptually, are rather low on the list of things I want in a entertainment product. (This is not a hard and fast rule, of course).
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    • #17
      Actually... BTS sounds like your kind of game.
      You can play at the lowest levels and not have to work very hard to be entertained.

      At the higher levels, the game is tough, and a good challenge.

      The designers did a great job. They provided a good experience for all kinds of gamers
      Keep on Civin'
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      • #18
        Originally posted by TonyUK
        Thanks for all the replies even the adverse ones. I dont really want to drop to Settler so I will try to persevere and play the game slower.
        Here's a thread to look thru...



        to give you a few pointers.
        I'm consitently stupid- Japher
        I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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        • #19
          Originally posted by TonyUK
          I can win at noble with the Vanilla version, but as soon as I play BTS I struggle at warlord level, so what is wrong with BTS, its no fun at all. Tried various leaders and get nowhere. Been trying for 6 months, go back to Noble on vanilla and win fairly easil. Very strange this.
          I get the impression that you're using the same basic approach in BtS that you used in Vanilla, which is a mistake. Treat the expansion like a whole new game and try out different strategies. The two are quite different from each other and you can't necessarily play the XP the same way as the original game. You probably just need to find a new way of looking at things.

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          • #20
            How I began to win BTS on Prince (with cards that were dealt randomly):

            1- Don't build early workers. Steal them, one or two! Pretty safe strategy since I find the AI win rarely try to invade you that early on for just stealing one of their workers. Build settlers and keep up militarily instead.

            2- Build lots of cats and sacrifice them when the AI inevitably will declare war on you. Fight on your own territory. Let them come to you with their stacks, bombard with cats and decimate them militarily. Then go on the counter offensive.

            In order for 2 to work, clear forests and jungle on the tiles directly next to the city in the direction from where the attack is likely to come. That way your enemies can't get the defense bonus when they are standing outside your cities and you are meant to attack them.
            "Can we get a patch that puts Palin under Quayle?" - Theben

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            • #21
              Originally posted by TonyUK
              Cant find a way to turn off spies though so perhaps I should be allocated 10% research to this.
              spies are useful and i like the realism it adds, but i rarely bother with espionage. you can leave your spy slider at 0% for the whole game and still win without a problem, this is what i typically do.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Ming
                Actually... BTS sounds like your kind of game.
                You can play at the lowest levels and not have to work very hard to be entertained.

                At the higher levels, the game is tough, and a good challenge.

                The designers did a great job. They provided a good experience for all kinds of gamers

                Tend to agree.
                On the ISDG 2012 team at the heart of CiviLIZation

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by EternalSpark


                  I would argue the exact opposite - it gives me a target to avoid, because it means I'll have to put work and time into my entertainment, which is not something I like.
                  Well, there are plenty of games for your type out there. Try your hand at Hellgate:London. Even my 4 year old can win. This is assuming you don't mind the work of pressing the mouse button.

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                  • #24
                    I tend to put my ESP slider at 10% when I can 1st afford to and leave it there. It gives me enough ESP points to do what I need and the passive info on the other civs. After that I don' thave to worry about it.
                    I'm consitently stupid- Japher
                    I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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                    • #25
                      I tend to build a few courthouses early on, and that usually handles the ESP I need for passive info...
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                      • #26
                        If I'm not doing a spy thing, I just build courthouses, jails, and security offices everywhere. That's plenty of EP for passive defense plus doing the occasional civil revolt for a quick city attack.

                        Wodan

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Theben
                          I tend to put my ESP slider at 10% when I can 1st afford to and leave it there. It gives me enough ESP points to do what I need and the passive info on the other civs. After that I don' thave to worry about it.
                          I do pretty much the same thing. I find setting my Espionage spending at 10% and just leaving it puts me well ahead of the other civs in points. Occasionally I'll come across a civ that has a higher ratio than me but then it's just a question of adjusting the emphasis for that civ and I'm back on top after awhile. It's really not difficult to do better at espionage than the other civs.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Crossfire
                            Well, there are plenty of games for your type out there. Try your hand at Hellgate:London. Even my 4 year old can win. This is assuming you don't mind the work of pressing the mouse button.
                            Of course there's plenty of games for my type out there. That's the core benefit of being a mainstream gamer - the only games that survive and thrive in this industry are games for my type
                            It's a CB.
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                            • #29
                              And a truely sad state of affairs that is!!!!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by TonyUK
                                Thanks for all the replies even the adverse ones. I dont really want to drop to Settler so I will try to persevere and play the game slower. I like more automation such as missionaries that you had to move before(but not automated workers) Cant find a way to turn off spies though so perhaps I should be allocated 10% research to this.
                                Good move in not automating your workers.

                                As far as spies, there are numerous threads about how to maximize them, even running an early spy specialist economy to steal technology.

                                Good Luck and enjoy your games.
                                And indeed there will be time To wonder, "Do I dare?" and, "Do I dare?". t s eliot

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