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What happens to an ICBM if you gift the city it is in?
What happens to an ICBM if you gift the city it is in?
a) You have open borders. But what if they are cancelled later on?
b) If you don’t have open borders?
c)What happens if you make the city a colony?
d)This is an unrelated ICBM question. Can you airlift ICBMs?
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila
Why not? It makes no sense. They should change that in the next patch.
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila
You ask if they could be lifted, not if it made sense or not They are very big, so I don't know if such thing can be airlifted. However, they should be able to be transported on land and by the sea. But making them immobile is maybe to simulate that an ICBM also requires a system around it to work making it difficult for a nation to have like a couple of cities left after an invasion but a lot of ICBMs hiding in several locations able to be launched.
Originally posted by MoonWolf
You ask if they could be lifted, not if it made sense or not They are very big, so I don't know if such thing can be airlifted. However, they should be able to be transported on land and by the sea. But making them immobile is maybe to simulate that an ICBM also requires a system around it to work making it difficult for a nation to have like a couple of cities left after an invasion but a lot of ICBMs hiding in several locations able to be launched.
In RL you do have mobile ICMB launching platforms. Also If you can move an entire tank battalion by plane I think you should be able to move ICBM. Also the city that you are moving it to, must have an airport, so the players has invested some resources into it.
Also in RL where an ICBM is built and where it is waiting to be launched are two different places.
An easy fix is to make ICBMs be airliftable during peace.
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila
How far do they move? A city in civ is more like a region or county if we compare sizes, and I don't think an ICMB is moved a lot after being assembled. Maybe you are right about airlifting, I don't know. I only thought is would be too difficult (one ICBM is one huge machine that must be carried in one piece probably, while a tank battalion are several "small" pieces", e.g. easier to transport).
Yes, agree, in RL it's different. They are probably build different places or in different pieces and assembled on or by the launch site. But imagine if Russia or USA get invaded by someone. The invader takes control over or burn down the cities, but the hidden ICBMs are still out there somewhere. How can the remaining, few distant cities control those ICBMs anymore? They aren't destroyed, but the people supporting them wouldn't have any systems to use them or to tell them where to fire them.
I'd assume making certain airlift only possible during peacetime would be quite difficult. They should though be transportable by ships and rails/ roads.
Who says the ICBM can't be dissasembled for transport?
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila
Very few decisions in Civ4 were made to be 'realistic'. Civ4 was made to be an interesting GAME, not a simulation. 'Realistic' was, and should be, a secondary element that only came into play once good gameplay decisions were made.
ICBMs are immobile to make them somewhat less powerful, and to force you to make strategic decisions.
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Generally speaking, ICBMs are built in silos. Wich is a hole in the ground. One cannot airlift a whole hole (wich by the way, the holes only natural enemy is the mound. ) Now those mobile missle systems you are thinking of, are Intermidiate range missles. In-game those are called tacticle nukes. And those you can move.
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Tactical nukes are vastly different from airborne strategic nukes (ie, city-busters carried by bombers). (In-game, this difference is less substantial, and i'm not entirely sure how accurate this is as I never get to the point of using nukes, but IRL it's very different).
Tactical nuclear weapons are ones used to destroy mountains in order to cave in a mountain pass, for example, or used as essentially really powerful artillery; they are used in the actual battlefield (hence the term 'tactical' as opposed to 'strategic').
Very few decisions in Civ4 were made to be 'realistic'. Civ4 was made to be an interesting GAME, not a simulation. 'Realistic' was, and should be, a secondary element that only came into play once good gameplay decisions were made.
ICBMs are immobile to make them somewhat less powerful, and to force you to make strategic decisions.
Well then stupid gamplay decisions were made. Since ICBMs are useless. Currently, there is absolutely no reason to waste your production on them, with the crazy strong SDI, followed by the far too cheap fallout shelter and the fact they can't kill a size 1 city.
And even if you have a exotic situation where you need to a nuclear blast you are better off building a tactical nuke.
Unbalanced BtS.
I'm real displeased by this since all firaxis needs to do to balance it is to reduce the cost of ICBMs in f**** patch. Since more nukes in the game would make the 75% immunity of SDI a bit less powerful.
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila
Originally posted by Hauptman
Generally speaking, ICBMs are built in silos. Wich is a hole in the ground. One cannot airlift a whole hole (wich by the way, the holes only natural enemy is the mound. ) Now those mobile missle systems you are thinking of, are Intermidiate range missles. In-game those are called tacticle nukes. And those you can move.
Thanks. I was under the mistaken immpresion that the russiand transportable and train nukes were ICBMs. They just seemed so damm big.
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila
Originally posted by Heraclitus
Thanks. I was under the mistaken immpresion that the russiand transportable and train nukes were ICBMs. They just seemed so damm big.
Your impression was not mistaken. They ARE (or were) ICBMs. The rail cars used to carry them being of standard size, NOT. Same with the U.S. system, for which I don't remember the development/deployment status.
) Now those mobile missle systems you are thinking of, are Intermidiate range missles. In-game those are called tacticle nukes. And those you can move.
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