Missionary fails to spread religion

[wodan11]

Originally posted by VoiceOfUnreason
If you are going to go into world builder, just convert the city by hand - why bother with missionaries....

Because that would be cheating!

Wodan

[Wittlich]

I have noticed a way to increase the odds of your missionary successfully speading your religion:

Once the missionary arrives at the targeted city, put him to sleep for a few turns. I have noticed that once the missinary has been "camped-out" in a city for a while, the chances of your religion having a successful spread is greater.

I view it as the missionary "getting to know the local populace" before actively trying to spread his religion. In this aspect, treat the Missionary as you would the Spy unit - the longer it is camped-out, the greater the success rate - but unlike the Spy, the Missionary will not have any chances of becoming discovered and executed.

[VoiceOfUnreason]

Originally posted by Wittlich
Once the missionary arrives at the targeted city, put him to sleep for a few turns. I have noticed that once the missinary has been "camped-out" in a city for a while, the chances of your religion having a successful spread is greater.

Sounds like a decent idea for a mod; but the shipping version doesn't work that way.

[Blaupanzer]

I strongly suspect the "SDK code" as cited above, supports an increase in success odds based on the time the missionary spends in place. However, if a "waiting ritual" helps you with assuming the risk, then wait away. Founders of religion will use a few dollars in income, but rituals are ... rituals.

[Wittlich]

Originally posted by VoiceOfUnreason


Sounds like a decent idea for a mod; but the shipping version doesn't work that way.

Why do you say that VoU? By "shipping version" I take it you mean the retail version of the game...which I have and it definately allows you to put a missionary to sleep in a target city.

[Wittlich]

Oh, and I only place a missionary to sleep in a target city if a privious missionary had failed in that city. Other than that, I normally spread my religion as soon as the missionary arrives.

[snoopy369]

He's saying that it does not affect the chance of spreading religion, not that it's impossible to do.

[Quillan]

I think he's saying the code doesn't check for how many turns the missionary has been sitting there when calculating success chances. Dunno if that code changed in BtS, because the revamp of espionage does use the "sitting around bonus".

[joncnunn]

If your going to go into the WB, you can just click the add relgion to the city instead of creating the missionary.

Originally posted by wodan11
If you're going to go to the trouble to save and reload... wouldn't it be a lot easier simply to go into WB and give yourself another couple or three missionaries?

Wodan

[joncnunn]

One way to reduce the loss ratio of missonaries when spreading to foreign civs is to just send them across the border and give them as gifts.

And if their territory is pretty big this will also cut down on delays while you create new ones.

[Lancer]

Originally posted by snoopy369
If you save and reload, you would have to do something to change the random seed; or select the 'new random seed on reload' option. By default, you will get the exact same random roll as before when reloading.

It is not true I don't believe that a missionary will always succeed in an empty city, i'm fairly sure I've had a failure or two before on empty cities. However, it is certainly much more likely to fail with more religions in a city.

Don't forget about Theocracy as well

If a missionary fails in a godless city that city should get an extra food.

[Theben]

Originally posted by ybrevo

Yes, Theocracy is better for war than for spreading religion, isn´t it?

Since no else has mentioned it and I'm not sure you understood snoopy, he meant trying to spread religions into Theocratic civs that are different from their state religion= automatic failure.

One way to reduce the loss ratio of missonaries when spreading to foreign civs is to just send them across the border and give them as gifts.

And if their territory is pretty big this will also cut down on delays while you create new ones.

That's pretty sneaky. I'll have to remember that one.

[VoiceOfUnreason]

Originally posted by Theben
Since no else has mentioned it and I'm not sure you understood snoopy, he meant trying to spread religions into Theocratic civs that are different from their state religion= automatic failure.

One way to reduce the loss ratio of missonaries when spreading to foreign civs is to just send them across the border and give them as gifts.

And if their territory is pretty big this will also cut down on delays while you create new ones.

Originally posted by Theben
That's pretty sneaky. I'll have to remember that one.

It's even sneakier than that, as gifted missionaries can spread non state religions in a theocratic civ.

[MoonWolf]

Originally posted by Lancer


If a missionary fails in a godless city that city should get an extra food.

Hahaha, that was a good one!

[Robert]

Originally posted by VoiceOfUnreason






It's even sneakier than that, as gifted missionaries can spread non state religions in a theocratic civ.

No, that's not true.
You can't even spread a non-state religion to your own cities under theocracy.