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  • Do Barbarians Make the Game Too Easy?

    I am now playing a game as the Ottomans on a map that seems to be 2 continents. Yet, before even reaching the classical age, I am now alone on the continent. First, I stumbled across Alexander. Made peace with him only to learn the next turn that his capital was undefended. So 2 turns later, I turn it into a pile of rubble.

    Ok, I think. That opens up a nice place to build a city later in the game. After more exploration, I discover the Mongols. Ok, need to focus on military. A little bit later, I see blue borders of France. However, there's no diplomatic screen. Next turn, Paris is black and undefended. I turn it to rubble. Shortly after that, I see a message that Ghenghis has been eliminated from the game. Go over there and turn his former capital to rubble. As I move south, I see a small stack of barbarian archers pass by. The vikings are too the south. Not for long. So I send all my warriors to my capital to await the coming invasion. Sure enough, a stack of now 2 barbarian archers attacks me and is destroyed.

    I've now explored the entire continent only to find myself entirely alone. I rushed the Great Wall and have been doing my best to maintain a tech lead with the other 4 unknown civs, until I can get some boats.

    But this isn't the first game I've played where AI civs vanish early and quickly. It's obvious that they weren't destroyed by regular barbarians but by the event. That event is cruel this early in the game. That stack of archers appeared long before I saw a single barbarian warrior. There's no way any civ could prepare for it so early in the game and they walked over the AI. Had the same event occurred on the other continent too, I'd have won this game by conquest without producing anything tougher than a warrior.
    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
    "Capitalism ho!"

  • #2
    What settings?
    I'm consitently stupid- Japher
    I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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    • #3
      Marathon on Noble, I've yet to feel ready for anything tougher. And these types of games are only encouraging my bad habits.
      “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
      "Capitalism ho!"

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      • #4
        Aggressive AI? Raging barbs?

        I've heard others say similar things have happened to them, but I've yet to see it.
        I'm consitently stupid- Japher
        I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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        • #5
          And you realize that if you'd KEPT those cities instead of razing them you'd have 5 capitol city sites...
          I'm consitently stupid- Japher
          I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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          • #6
            Normal AI and normal barbs. The Greeks were immediately destroyed, no choice. The other cities were too far away. I worried that I wouldn't be able to defend them, and that they'd drain my economy.
            “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
            "Capitalism ho!"

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            • #7
              Here are some images. It took about 3 to show the entire continent.

              Here's my empire in the north. Ankara is just a bit south of where Athens used to stand.



              The middle of the continent. I'm sure that it's swarming with barbarians right now.



              The southern tip and remains of the vikings. I sent all my warriors home to defend my capital rather than worry about such a remote city. I'm sure there are plenty of barbarian cities for my to clean up on my way back down there.

              “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
              "Capitalism ho!"

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              • #8
                Barbarian city of Nidaros
                You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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                • #9
                  The AI really only copes with the barb spawning event if you have aggressive AI set. Otherwise this sort of thing happens.
                  Never give an AI an even break.

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                  • #10
                    Man that Jungle is HUGE. I can't seem to locate other capital sites than Nidaros which is still there.

                    I must say that I have never had this many AI's die to barbarians alone. On higher levels, an early uprising does short work of an AI, though.
                    "The state is nothing but an instrument of oppression of one class by another--no less so in a democratic republic than in a monarchy."

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                    • #11
                      Yah, my last game was like that. I took out Bismarck with a cheap backstab-warrior, and Monty and Isabella were taken out by barbs. Madrid had budhism, too.
                      I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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                      • #12
                        I don't think I have ever seen the AI lose a city to barbs, never mind getting wiped out!
                        Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi Wan's apprentice.

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                        • #13
                          Tips to getting civs wiped by barbs:
                          1) in Civ4HandicapInfo.xml, edit iAIBarbarianBonus so it is no LESS than iBarbarianBonus (for myself, I have both of these values at zero). This will give barbs equal incentive to go after AI units, since both you and the AI will be equal opportunity targets.

                          2) don't turn off events in BtS.

                          Civs with mysticism, since they are likely to pursue getting an early religion rather than military strength, are more likely to be rubbed out by early barbs.

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                          • #14
                            Now that you have the great wall, barbs are irrelevant and youcan just march cities right down to the bottom of the continent. It might not be too fun, but you almost cant lose now.

                            BTW, if you go into the world builder then city builder you can turn the great wall off and then back on and get it to redraw around your new cultural borders. Its neat to see it just keep expanding as you border expands.

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                            • #15
                              This is mainly due to Marathon speed and Noble difficulty.

                              The Barbs tend to be a greater threat on Marathon because it takes so much more planning to get units trained in time, they may still spawn relatively faster too but don't quote me on that - at some point I stopped caring about what was broken on marathon speed .

                              The AI doesn't necessarily suffer more under Raging Barbs - it trains more units to compensate.

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