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  • #1

    Global Warming woes.

    First of all this is me seeking a permanent solution to stop Global Warming from causing those pesky deserts - and don't suggest I'd run the Nuke Ban.

    Now, every now and then you feel like playing a proper nuking game but the thing holding you back is really the cursed Global Warming. I feel that nukes would add so much more to the game if it wasn't for the damn deserts. Also, even if I don't feel like nuking the AI sure will.

    Now what I'm seeking is for someone to point me to a mod or offer a solution I can follow to make Global Warming cause Fallout instead of changing terrain into Desert. I personally am way too simple to come up with anything like that but would most certainly rather have it spawn Fallout than Deserts since that I can atleast counter. It's not fun having something that you can counter only by using the World Builder.

    So, if anyone would be so kind as to point me to a mod or tell me what I have to write in one of my files to make this small ( ) change and I'll be
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    I don't understand the reason why nuking causes global warming. Pollution should be the one causing global warming. Some pollution from factories and power plants is acceptable to me since in Civ4 we can totally eliminate it with recycling plants. In Civ3, pollution is a real pain as it can never be totally eliminated even with recycling.

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    • #3
      What really gets me about nukes causing global warming is, haven't the folks at Firaxis ever heard the phrase "nuclear winter"? My understanding is that the prevailing wisdom is that large-scale nuclear war would kick a bunch of dust and such up into the atmosphere, causing the earth to cool down until the stuff settles. (There is a record of at least one volcano producing that kind of cooling effect.)

      I think I may have a way to turn global warming off, but I'm not sure. In GlobalDefines.xml, there is an item GLOBAL_WARMING_PROB that is set to 20. I'm hoping that changing that to 0 can turn global warming off, but I'm not sure. I made the change once before, but lost it when a patch redid my XML files. And since there weren't any nuclear wars, I don't know whether the fact that I didn't have global warming while the change was active means the change worked or just that I got lucky.
      Last edited by nbarclay; December 18, 2007, 12:55.

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      • #4
        I've had similar discussions in the past.



        It seems the GW thing is one of the bothersome details that made it to civ4 by inertia alone, and have not been removed even after BtS which has, BTW made them even more inappropriate and even irritating to the point of damaging my suspension of disbelief.



        I play much less civ as a result.
        Last edited by Heraclitus; December 18, 2007, 12:58.
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        The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
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        • #5
          It's in there as a game balancer... there should be an incentive not to use nukes, otherwise they are too powerful. Call it nuclear winter, and make sudden arctic tiles appear ... desert seems more accurate somehow
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          • #6
            Problem is, the bloody AI doesn't give a flying frak about incentives...
            I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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            • #7
              Yep, the AI couldn't care less about the world.

              I just want a way to counter it, hence it spawning fallout all over would be a lot better since i could just employ my by-then-useless workers to something productive.
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              • #8
                In my opinion, Nuclear Power Plants lead to way too much global warming. Even if you have a stable government and happy citizens you lose productive terrain.

                Now I try to build the 3 Gorges Dam Wonder for my power plants.
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                • #9
                  Wait, what? NPP's cause GW? Why? They don't even release Greenhouse Gasses. >.< In fact, they have fairly limited footprint. . .

                  Me.

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                  • #10
                    A nuclear power plant meltdown, not just the plant, causes global warming, Asmodeous. Unfortunately, the meltdown probability is way too high. I don't know, but perhaps it is an integer '1' out of 100, instead of 1000. I haven't looked yet, but does anyone know?

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                    • #11
                      For every NPP in the world, the nukes should get cheaper for everyone... BTW a study in Germany just showed, that the rate of cancer in kids is way elevated in areas around NPPs - a fact the communities around them were always suspecting. So the 0-impact on health is bogus, too (not to mention the waste problem).

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                      • #12
                        I'm curious as to why Civ IV dropped the idea of solar plants, which were available in Civ III. They would be something really nice to have available with Ecology. Granted, the real world isn't using solar power yet on more than a small scale. But I strongly suspect that we will be by 2050 as the technology gets better and cheaper, and as oil continues to become scarcer and more expensive.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Unimatrix11
                          For every NPP in the world, the nukes should get cheaper for everyone... BTW a study in Germany just showed, that the rate of cancer in kids is way elevated in areas around NPPs - a fact the communities around them were always suspecting. So the 0-impact on health is bogus, too (not to mention the waste problem).
                          Yeah, well, some guy I've never heard of in some games forum says that there was this study in Norway that says nuclear power plants cure cancer.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Unimatrix11
                            For every NPP in the world, the nukes should get cheaper for everyone... BTW a study in Germany just showed, that the rate of cancer in kids is way elevated in areas around NPPs - a fact the communities around them were always suspecting. So the 0-impact on health is bogus, too (not to mention the waste problem).
                            I heard about the same study as well, some experts are quite baffled by it. When you think about it, if you know a thing or two, it makes absolutely no sense, why would cancer levels be elevated near NPP.

                            My personal pet hypothesize is that it's something like the placebo effect, just harmful.
                            Or that this is just one study that contradicts most of the other studies ever made.
                            Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                            The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                            The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                            • #15
                              Why would noise-levels be elevated by highways ?
                              Why would it be hot around a fire ?

                              The one thing i know is, that there are no entirely closed systems.

                              You know, having lost my father (57) to cancer last year, i take this topic rather serious... and i suspect the many parents who lost their children (at MUCH younger age) do so, too.

                              Especially close to the area where i live (close to Hamburg), near the NPP "Krümmel", the town of Geesthacht and the sourrounding area have complained about this fact for decades, ever since the NPP went into action. It is, btw, also rumored, that in the facilities close to the plant experiments were conducted, probably concerning neutron-bombs (which is illegal - Germany is not allowed to have nuclear weapons or research them - anti-profiliation-treaty - valid for Germany as much as for Iran - (and Israel for that matter btw)) - small, radioactive pebbles have been found around the NPP, the origin of which is yet unknown and the governments seems to be not interested in "learning" more about it at all...

                              But okay - let´s keep it here - i dont wanna do another thread-jack...

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