Events-influenza

[Theben]

Are they one time shots or can the same event occur multiple times in a game? I ask b/c the influenza event should happen more than once.

Actually It should be changed to 'Epidemic' and allowed early in the game, and also have 'Pandemic' and 'Pandemic-1st contact' events which would be a lot more devestating.

[jkp1187]

Some events have a chance to repeat, some don't. Influenza does not, but that could be changed pretty easily.

What's your idea for the Pandemic event?

[Supr49er]

Re: Events-influenza

Originally posted by Theben
Are they one time shots or can the same event occur multiple times in a game? I ask b/c the influenza event should happen more than once.

Actually It should be changed to 'Epidemic' and allowed early in the game, and also have 'Pandemic' and 'Pandemic-1st contact' events which would be a lot more devestating.

What were you thinking of?
The Black Death being spread by trade?
Smallpox being carried to new worlds?

[Lord Avalon]

The event that keeps on giving?

Suddenly everyone closes borders to you!

[Supr49er]

Originally posted by Lord Avalon
The event that keeps on giving?

Suddenly everyone closes borders to you!

Or catapults the diseased bodies into your cities.

[Cyrus The Mike]

thats what the huns did and then all of europe got the black death

[Lord Avalon]

So how much of a penalty would You used biological warfare on us be?

[Theben]

Originally posted by Supr49er
What were you thinking of?
The Black Death being spread by trade?
Smallpox being carried to new worlds?

More or less both, yes.

[Theben]

Effects might be something like, pop in city halved & 1-2 angry face... but maybe a possible benefit like a known nearby religion moving into city, or even founding a religion or gaining religious tech.

Of course, for a pandemic it would spread to many cities, and not just the cities of the civ it started in. I haven't thought of any means for the player to limit it, but for gameplays sake there should be.

[joncnunn]

I think a "Black Death" civ event would be way too powerful.

Now something like the post WWI Influenza one could be included.

[jkp1187]

Originally posted by Theben
Effects might be something like, pop in city halved & 1-2 angry face... but maybe a possible benefit like a known nearby religion moving into city, or even founding a religion or gaining religious tech.

Of course, for a pandemic it would spread to many cities, and not just the cities of the civ it started in. I haven't thought of any means for the player to limit it, but for gameplays sake there should be.

It would take some python scripting, but I think this would be in the realm of possibility. I think that limiting it should scale with the map, but no more cities than the default number of players for a given map size (e.g., 7 for standard, 5 for small -- the same way some of the "build x number of y buildings" quests solve for x.)


It seems a little bit too negative, though -- would this just be a pop-drop on several cities...or would there be a series of choices through which the affected player might mitigate the damage?

[Unimatrix11]

Well for the pandemic: It would only spread through open borders - so if someone catches it, you might wanna consider closing the borders for a while. And it should spread faster through airports. And only once per city per influenza.

[Tattila the Hun]

Originally posted by Theben
Effects might be something like, pop in city halved & 1-2 angry face... but maybe a possible benefit like a known nearby religion moving into city, or even founding a religion or gaining religious tech.

Of course, for a pandemic it would spread to many cities, and not just the cities of the civ it started in. I haven't thought of any means for the player to limit it, but for gameplays sake there should be.

Survivors would be more resilient, perhaps give permanent +1 helth after the deal?

[Lord Avalon]

Study Shows Why the Flu Likes Winter

Researchers in New York believe they have solved one of the great mysteries of the flu: Why does the infection spread primarily in the winter months?

The answer, they say, has to do with the virus itself. It is more stable and stays in the air longer when air is cold and dry, the exact conditions for much of the flu season.

“Influenza virus is more likely to be transmitted during winter on the way to the subway than in a warm room,” said Peter Palese, a flu researcher who is professor and chairman of the microbiology department at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York and the lead author of the flu study.

Dr. Palese published details of his findings in the Oct. 19 issue of PLoS Pathogens. The crucial hint that allowed him to do his study came from a paper published in the aftermath of the 1918 flu pandemic, when doctors were puzzling over why and how the virus had spread so quickly and been so deadly.

As long as flu has been recognized, people have asked, Why winter? The very name, “influenza,” is an Italian word that some historians proposed, originated in the mid-18th century as influenza di freddo, or “influence of the cold.”

Flu season in northern latitudes is from November to March, the coldest months. In southern latitudes, it is from May until September. In the tropics, there is not much flu at all and no real flu season.

There was no shortage of hypotheses. Some said flu came in winter because people are indoors; and children are in school, crowded together, getting the flu and passing it on to their families.

Others proposed a diminished immune response because people make less vitamin D or melatonin when days are shorter. Others pointed to the direction of air currents in the upper atmosphere. But many scientists were not convinced.

“We know one of the largest factors is kids in school — most of the major epidemics are traced to children,” said Dr. Jonathan McCullers, a flu researcher at St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital in Memphis. “But that still does not explain wintertime. We don’t see flu in September and October.”

As for the crowding argument, Dr. McCullers said, “That never made sense.” People work all year round and crowd into buses and subways and planes no matter what the season.

“We needed some actual data,” Dr. McCullers added.

But getting data was surprisingly difficult, Dr. Palese said.

The ideal study would expose people to the virus under different conditions and ask how likely they were to become infected. Such a study, Dr. Palese said, would not be permitted because there would be no benefit to the individuals.

There were no suitable test animals. Mice can be infected with the influenza virus but do not transmit it. Ferrets can be infected and transmit the virus, but they are somewhat large, they bite and they are expensive, so researchers would rather not work with them.

To his surprise, Dr. Palese stumbled upon a solution that appeared to be a good second best.

Reading a paper published in 1919 in the Journal of the American Medical Association on the flu epidemic at Camp Cody in New Mexico, he came upon a key passage: “It is interesting to note that very soon after the epidemic of influenza reached this camp, our laboratory guinea pigs began to die.” At first, the study’s authors wrote, they thought the animals had died from food poisoning. But, they continued, “a necropsy on a dead pig revealed unmistakable signs of pneumonia.”

Dr. Palese bought some guinea pigs and exposed them to the flu virus. Just as the paper suggested, they got the flu and spread it among themselves. So Dr. Palese and his colleagues began their experiments.

By varying air temperature and humidity in the guinea pigs’ quarters, they discovered that transmission was excellent at 41 degrees. It declined as the temperature rose until, by 86 degrees, the virus was not transmitted at all.

The virus was transmitted best at a low humidity, 20 percent, and not transmitted at all when the humidity reached 80 percent.

The animals also released viruses nearly two days longer at 41 degrees than at a typical room temperature of 68 degrees.

Flu viruses spread through the air, unlike cold viruses, Dr. Palese said, which primarily spread by direct contact when people touch surfaces that had been touched by someone with a cold or shake hands with someone who is infected, for example.

Flu viruses are more stable in cold air, and low humidity also helps the virus particles remain in the air. That is because the viruses float in the air in little respiratory droplets, Dr. Palese said. When the air is humid, those droplets pick up water, grow larger and fall to the ground.

But Dr. Palese does not suggest staying in a greenhouse all winter to avoid the flu. The best strategy, he says, is a flu shot.

It is unclear why infected animals released viruses for a longer time at lower temperatures. There was no difference in their immune response, but one possibility is that their upper airways are cooler, making the virus residing there more stable.

Flu researchers said they were delighted to get some solid data at last on flu seasonality.

“It was great work, and work that needed to be done,” said Dr. Terrence Tumpe, a senior microbiologist at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Dr. McCullers said he was pleased to see something convincing on the flu season question.

“It was a really interesting paper, the first really scientific approach, to answer a classic question that we’ve been debating for years and years,” he said.

As for Dr. Palese, he was glad he spotted the journal article that mentioned guinea pigs.

“Sometimes it pays to read the old literature,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/health/research/05flu.html?em&ex=1197090000&en=2b44d54a8b2870e1&ei=5087%0A

Can a spread limited to where it's cold and dry be coded?

[realpolitic]

Originally posted by Cyrus The Mike
thats what the huns did and then all of europe got the black death

How about giving a leader a choice to use catapults - risking the wrath of all other countries?