Wait. What??? Barbarians founded Judaism?

[Kuciwalker]

Do barb players get events?

[Darsnan]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
They also used to build wonders. This was discovered (and fixed) when I posted a screenshot of a barb city that had built the Great Wall.

Can the Barbs utilize wonders given them via the Worldbuilder? Do the Barbs receive the same benefits as a regular Civ for a state religion?

Originally posted by Blake
Barbs can tech, but most the time they don't, because their upkeeps are so high and they have no palace.

Why are the Barbs upkeeps so high? And if the Barbs are given a Palace via the Worldbuilder (or editing of the appropriate files), then how do they act?

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[Will9]

Originally posted by Blake
Barbs can tech, but most the time they don't, because their upkeeps are so high and they have no palace. This means they usually run a negative economy - which they get a free pass on (ie going negative doesn't cause units to get disbanded).
Most of the barb techs comes from freebies (sort of like a mini-internet), but they CAN research.

Where is barb distance maintenance calculated from?

[wodan11]

Originally posted by Will


Where is barb distance maintenance calculated from?

To quote Conan the Barbarian, "uhhh, infinity??"

Wodan

[Asmodeous]

They teched it. I've had Barbarians found Christianity before.

I laughed.

Me.

[Wittlich]

In the past, I have ran into a barbarian city as well that founded a religion - it too was Judaism...at the time, I just thought it was a fluke and took the city over - now I'm not too sure.

[KMadeleine]

Originally posted by Will

Where is barb distance maintenance calculated from?

barbs get a "no palace penalty" instead of distance costs. which is unfair really, since palace is on the list of things barbs aren't allowed to build!

Originally posted by Blake
Most of the barb techs comes from freebies (sort of like a mini-internet), but they CAN research.

this isn't the kind of research you mean, but i have to post this since it really made me giggle. i played a very silly game once where i WBd myself spies for every civ, and barbs, early on. i wanted to see what they did, research paths, money issues, etc. at one point the barbs were researching Alphabet. i was dubious, since this was warlords where you can even build a spaceship without alphabet (well, not if you're the barbs, but you know). they can't trade techs so why do they need alphabet?

i figured it out later:


they were so desperate to learn how to ride ponies that they wanted to invest their 5 hammers into building research. later, when they got emancipation unhappiness, they ran the culture slider at 20%, so they were planning ahead i suppose.

i posted a Highly Scientific Research Report on that other forum, for folks as easily amused as i am.

@Blake ... why are barbs not allowed to build work boats? poor guys.

[Slade Wilson]

Barbarians should be treated as independant minor civilizations Maybe even have unique minor civs like in galciv2.

[realpolitic]

They are minor civs, and should be able to found religions.

As minor civs, it makes sense that they can found religions. In Civ 4, religions can be used peacefully or militarily, and so even the militant Barbarians should be able to found them.

[gdijedi7]

Well, I noticed before that Barbarian cities tended to have stronger units than they had just appear...

But still, I love the idea of Barbarian wonders. If they had the Great Wall, did they have to leave their own territory?

[joncnunn]

Or did it keep the civilized players units out?

Originally posted by gdijedi7
Well, I noticed before that Barbarian cities tended to have stronger units than they had just appear...

But still, I love the idea of Barbarian wonders. If they had the Great Wall, did they have to leave their own territory?

[gdijedi7]

Yeah. Us civilized peoples can't figgure out how to get over the pile of rocks the Barbarians piled up to keep us out.

But seriously...if they have the wherewithal to build that, they're not barbarians.

[Kuciwalker]

The barb Great Wall did nothing, as far as I could tell (I did some testing in the WB).