Favorite UB.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by darrelljs
Maybe because they don't build Forges in their commerce cities, but they always build Banks?

Darrell

A high-commerce city is going to want to build a lot of multiplier buildings (e.g. Libraries, Banks) and therefore will definately want to build a Forge.

[darrelljs]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


A high-commerce city is going to want to build a lot of multiplier buildings (e.g. Libraries, Banks) and therefore will definately want to build a Forge.

If you only build a Library, Market and Bank (which is pretty common for a Domination victory) then the Forge does not pay for itself. You end up wasting 32 hammers not to mention the large delay in getting up the Library and Market.

Darrell

[Arrian]

Hammam. Health and Happy, all in one.

-Arrian

[gdgrimm]

I voted Terrace, though Hammam would be a very, very close second.

Terrace give Incan's almost the entire equivalent of the Creative trait very early in the game. It also fits well with the Financial trait that will prioritize Pottery, and the fast growth from Graneries.

The Hamman makes a very nice Happiness bonus to an Expansive trait that already has received a Health bonus.

[Unimatrix11]

Originally posted by Supr49er
IF you have lots of water and rivers it's hard to beat the Dutch dike. In addition to the +1 hammer on all your river tiles, you get +1 hammer for all water tiles! Map specific sure, but can create a monster.

+ You can build it in any coastal city, instead of just the ones next to rivers - and thats what makes them rock - it offers the same production bones as the moai statues + 1 extra produciton from river tiles - and that for every coastal/river city...

[binTravkin]

Strange I don't see a single post about Netherlands UB, but it seems to win the poll..

[snoopy369]

You mean like the post directly above yours?

IF you have lots of water and rivers it's hard to beat the Dutch dike.

[Slade Wilson]

Netherland UB comes with creative\financial traits. Nuff said?

[binTravkin]

Oh,

[thyrwyn]

The Dike - Gives the Dutch tremendous freedom with city placement. Coupled with a CRE/FIN Leader? Ouch.

[Will9]

I like the Dike, but it comes too late in the game for me to consider it the best UB.

[couerdelion]

For me it’s a choice between the Odeon and the Hammam. They are both very strong and arguably the Odeon gives the Greeks a very strong play at a cultural victory without needing to switch to Caste System.

For the early border popping on newly captured cities, I’m not sure that the Odeon is that much stronger than the standard theatre since all you need is the ability to appoint artists from turn one and these are available to both.

One difference between the two is that I believe the Colosseum might be found in captured cities thus allowing the city expansion to be instant (in many cases) after resistance stops. This also frees up the almost obligatory whip for something that has a more specific benefit to the city in question. Using a theatre as the first whip also sometimes means that the whip takes too few citizens and leads to starvation in a city surrounded by enemy culture. So often it is better to whip something big like a forge or market thus delaying the cultural spread that little longer.

But in general, I see little difference between Odeons and Theatres for the purpose of border popping. Longer term cultural battles are best fought with steel anyway and in the more serious case of a war against culturally advanced opposition, these battles are always lost until you can capture the cities that are fighting them.

I guess this means that I favour the Hammam for the +2 happy at a time when happiness is more important. I don’t see the relationship between culture and happiness in the same way as Blake and would much prefer +1 happy to +3 culture in most circumstances. The added bonus is that the Hammam comes earlier than the Odeon because it is on a critical research path. That there is one tech difference between the two (or two techs if you include Masonry) is a little misleading. More often, you will research a few other techs before going from Mathematics to Construction.

OK, the half price Odeon is a big bonus too, I’ll accept. But for the general bonus, the +2 happiness beats +3 culture and two artist slots.

[Yosho]

I'm surprised the ball court dosn't get more support. I mean, colessum often isn't worth building, but with +3 happy it's an amazingly good buy for the price.

[monkspider]

Originally posted by Arrian
Hammam. Health and Happy, all in one.

-Arrian

Quoted for truth, this would be my choice as well. Though there is no disputing the power of the Ikhanda, Dike and HRE UB.

[rah]

More often, you will research a few other techs before going from Mathematics to Construction.

In MP games fewer techs are chosen in between i'd wager.