Amazing, simply amazing

[Aradae]

It's amazing how firaxis could make a WWII mod without using the words Hitler and Nazi.

That's like trying to describe the internet without using the phrase "series of tubes"

[Wiglaf]

dale is going to add hitler as a leader in an add -on pack.

political correctness like this insults the intelligence. as if anyone would care if hitler was a leader in some PC game.

[tsubame]

Problem is, the Germans do and ban sales of anything with Hitler in it in Germany. Wish some company would tell Germany where to shove it, but profit isn't worth it.

This is the same company that removed Mao for China.

[Dale]

Godwin's Law!

[Willem]

Originally posted by Dale
Godwin's Law!

Huh?

[Dale]

Originally posted by Willem


Huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

[jdchambe]

Actually, Godwin's Law, as described on that page, does not apply to this discussion. No one in this thread is making innappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons here.

It is entirely appropriate and within context to be mentioning Hitler when discussing a scenario that is based on WWII.

[7EA]

You are a nazi jdchambe!!! A nazi I tells ya!!!

[Bkeela]

I don't understand this kind of fanaticism. Are Germans like ex-alcoholics that can't even keep a bottle of cooking sherry in the pantry lest they suffer temptation?

Nazism is an unavoidable fact of the 20th Century, and Hitler was the leader of it. I wish Firaxis would provide an official mod for those of us who have a healthy relationship to history.

[Dale]

Bkeela:

There's one in the making. Keep an eye on the "RtW: Information Thread".

[jdchambe]

Bkeela: it is not fanatacism. I can't say I understand the way that German's treat this issue, but their government is very sensitive about that period in their history.

If you visit a historical museum in Germany for example, you will find replica's of WWII era fighter planes with the sheets drapped over the planes in the locations where the swastikas are located.

It's simply illegal to display the emblems of that period of their history there.

[Dale]

Japan has a similar issue with depictions of Hirohito as the leader of Japan during WW2.

Whilst Hirohito is revered in Japan as a fantastic Emperor, during WW2 he was nothing but a puppet for Tojo. Hence the Japanese don't like him being depicted as the leader during the war.

Weird huh?

[Akaoz]

Originally posted by jdchambe
Bkeela: it is not fanatacism. I can't say I understand the way that German's treat this issue, but their government is very sensitive about that period in their history.

If you visit a historical museum in Germany for example, you will find replica's of WWII era fighter planes with the sheets drapped over the planes in the locations where the swastikas are located.

It's simply illegal to display the emblems of that period of their history there.

That's not true. I've been to several museums in Germany and seen swastikas, death-head insignias and SS-style camouflage on display. All of which are illegal to use for entertainment purposes. They are however allowed to be used in education and for historical purposes.

This causes WW2 movies in Germany to be without these symbols, but documentaries can still use them.

[Proteus_MST]

You won´t have any problems selling games in germany that have the Führer included.

the only problems you have is when you want to include Swastikas or SS Runes.

For certain documentary pourposes (like in a museum or documentary) it is allowed to display such signs, but in almost all other context it is forbidden to display such signs.

This even has lead to people from the left being fined because they displayed stickers where a Swastika is thrown into a waste paper bin. The judge concluded that, although the swastika was displayed in a clear Anti-nazi context, it was a forbidden display of the Swastika and therefore, sadly, the Punk Lady had to pay the fine.

Yes, some laws are really strange especially if they are used (or have to be used) without sensible exceptions.
But they wouldn´t forbid you to use the name of Hitler in the game (although mentioning him wouldn´t be a god measure to boost sales in germany )

[Kekkonen]

Originally posted by jdchambe
Bkeela: it is not fanatacism. I can't say I understand the way that German's treat this issue, but their government is very sensitive about that period in their history.

They are sensitive about it, true, but I think the ban on Nazi-related stuff comes from the laws the Allies dictated at the end of WWII. And suggesting that they overturn has probably never been a good career move for a German politician, so the laws aren't going anywhere.