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**Six Thousand Year Old Man** · July 12, 2007, 23:26

If we already have Civ4, why would we need "CivIV and its manual"?

Unless it's cheaper to get this package, including Warlords, than it is to buy Warlords alone

Wait, aren't the Warlords improvements supposedly included in BTS, which comes out a week later?

Colour me confused.

**Kloreep** · July 12, 2007, 23:51

I don't see why you should be confused, I think you got it about right.

Civ4 Gold seems to be following the same pattern as Civ3 Gold.

I'm sure it's a nice deal for anyone who doesn't have vanilla Civ4, but it does look to me like everyone else should just get BtS.

**Six Thousand Year Old Man** · July 13, 2007, 00:01

Originally posted by Kloreep
I don't see why you should be confused, I think you got it about right.

Civ4 Gold seems to be following the same pattern as Civ3 Gold.

I'm sure it's a nice deal for anyone who doesn't have vanilla Civ4, but it does look to me like everyone else should just get BtS.

I'm not confused, just a confused colour

Maybe there are some people who don't already have Civ4 hanging out here in the Civ4 forum, who might be interested.

**BleedTheFreak** · July 13, 2007, 09:34

There are some additional extras and such. Still, I own vanilla Civ IV as well as Warlords and I don't really think the extras are all that special.

I really think this is a good deal for folks who never played Civ but find the expansion BtS appealing and want to give it a shot, but I would have assumed it woul be better say next summer, to release Civ IV gold with BOTH expansion and goodies to generate more sales AFTER the expansions have been out for a year?

EDIT: I'm just confused, this is going for $50 on ebgames.com and amazon.com, isn't that a little steep if they point is to drum up sales for BtS?

**wodan11** · July 13, 2007, 10:40

This product isn't for us, it's for new people who don't have CIV already.

By re-releasing it, they get primo shelf space again (instead of on the discount racks). Plus, the packaging will now have a lot of splashy marketing saying gold edition, game of the year, all that stuff.

The timing on this is so that it's out there when BtS hits. Otherwise, smaller stores wouldn't still have inventory of CIV and that would decrease sales of BtS (people would say, "oh, I need the base set too... hey they don't have any... oh well, I'll buy something else instead".

Wodan

**Simply-Doug** · July 13, 2007, 11:59

why bother for most of us

For those who already have this game and perhaps the Warlords Exp. I suggest waiting until they come out soon with the Special collectors zip-zam-zooey- and swoosh edition that has everything in it including the BTS and a colorful chart of tech to read during your breaktimes at work

**BleedTheFreak** · July 13, 2007, 13:15

Originally posted by wodan11
This product isn't for us, it's for new people who don't have CIV already.

By re-releasing it, they get primo shelf space again (instead of on the discount racks). Plus, the packaging will now have a lot of splashy marketing saying gold edition, game of the year, all that stuff.

The timing on this is so that it's out there when BtS hits. Otherwise, smaller stores wouldn't still have inventory of CIV and that would decrease sales of BtS (people would say, "oh, I need the base set too... hey they don't have any... oh well, I'll buy something else instead".

Wodan

The shelf-space issue (and getting space on the new release shelf presumably RIGHT NEXT TO BtS) is one that I hadn't thought of, and that makes perfect sense. It's also why I'm not in marketing!!

**DrSpike** · July 13, 2007, 13:51

Hmm, that's pretty irritating.

**MrWhereItsAt** · July 13, 2007, 14:07

Nah, getting the Civ Chronicles box and then BtS sounds MUCH better. The only worries would be if for some reason the Warlords adjustments weren't in BtS, and I'd be mildly annoyed if the tech tree with Gold had the Warlords additions and changes, and BtS didn't have its own tech tree included.

**Wiglaf** · July 13, 2007, 14:46

Originally posted by DrSpike
Hmm, that's pretty irritating.

Er, why do you care if they re-release Civ?

**DrSpike** · July 13, 2007, 15:04

Because for some reason I thought BtS was in Gold. Reading through again I can't imagine why.

**Kloreep** · July 13, 2007, 19:55

Originally posted by BleedTheFreak
EDIT: I'm just confused, this is going for $50 on ebgames.com and amazon.com, isn't that a little steep if they point is to drum up sales for BtS?

As wodan11 says, it's really only for people who don't have Civ4.

Originally posted by BleedTheFreak
but I would have assumed it woul be better say next summer, to release Civ IV gold with BOTH expansion and goodies to generate more sales AFTER the expansions have been out for a year?

Don't worry, I'm sure they'll release Civ4 Complete eventually.

(That would certainly follow the path they took with Civ3.)

**marvinkosh** · July 15, 2007, 19:27

It also appeals to people who want to get their friends or family some Civ as a gift. The real motivation being to drum up new human opponents for multiplayer, of course

**vilemerchant** · July 15, 2007, 21:15

Re: why bother for most of us

Originally posted by Simply-Doug
For those who already have this game and perhaps the Warlords Exp. I suggest waiting until they come out soon with the Special collectors zip-zam-zooey- and swoosh edition that has everything in it including the BTS and a colorful chart of tech to read during your breaktimes at work

Nice suggestion, but who in the hell is going to buy a heap of games they already have just to have a new box?

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