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  • #16
    I think it is really just asking which level would you start on where you would "expect" to win with an average (or slightly worse) start.

    LD: I would recommend you get to understand the cost side of the game to figure out why your expansion is hitting you so hard. It could, for example, be that you are running high military costs although I suspect it is more likely that city maintenance and civic costs are the ones hurting you. In the latter case, there are several ways to manage those costs

    a) Cottages - provide extra commerce to cover your costs and in time provide a good contribution to both costs and tech
    b) Courthouses - to reduce city costs
    c) Currency - provides extra trade routes for cities and markets for increased commerce and to allow merchants to contribute to gold. Check also here about whether your trade income can improve. In some situations, trade commerce can be over one third of your total commerce - you need foreign trade routes (ie Open Borders) for the highest trade so good diplomatic relations with some civs is important.
    d) A religious shrine will provide a tidy contribution to general costs
    e) Libraries are also a cheap way of increasing techs
    f) And don't forget those high commerce specials (Calendar might be an important tech here)

    Further down the line there are grocers and banks.

    Generally it makes sense to have a number of cities concentrating more on commerce than production. A varied mix of cities will perform better than one where all cities are similar.

    There are other ways of supporting tech investment without worrying too much about an increasing tech rate. For example, a specialist driven economy in which you have Pyramids (for Representation) will allow you to run scientist specialists to fuel tech and also run a very low tech slider (even 0%). Other wonders can also provide high commerce/gold/beaker benefits.

    Also there's lots of money to be made from capturing cities. You can always raze them if the costs of looking after them is too high.

    And the military can also provide you some money in other ways including
    - pillaging
    - demanding techs from weaker neighbours

    Then there is a tech trading strategy you can use. Bee-line to a decent but weak tech and you can often use this as trade fodder for other techs. Compass is often a good tech for this.

    With so many ways to get round the problem of a low slider, there is no single rule to apply. That's why it is more important to "get a feel" for how the economic side of the game fits together. As you get to know it better you will be better able to see when you are starting to run into problems and then will be able to adopt a strategy before the problem becomes more serious.

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    • #17
      Man, this thread has lessened my frustration considerably (in that many others seem to be stuck on Prince or thereabouts). If I recall correctly, I was able to beat Civ 1 and Civ 2 on the highest levels, and Civ 3 on either the highest or second highest. On Civ 4 I haven't been able to win consistently on Prince even. I'm getting better, though.

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      • #18
        I play on Monarch mostly. However I can only consistently win on Prince.

        I don't play Vanilla CivIV though. I play fully patched Warlords.

        -abs
        Cool sigs are for others. I'm just a llama.

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        • #19
          Aagh, I feel so worthless. Warlord lets me consistently win, but Noble crushes me. Unless of course I do a very smal map and just constant war crush everyone. Heheheh.
          "Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools, because they have to say something."

          Which one are you?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by absimiliard
            I play on Monarch mostly. However I can only consistently win on Prince.

            I don't play Vanilla CivIV though. I play fully patched Warlords.

            -abs

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            • #21
              I often retire, even if I'm winning -- just takes so long to actually win. Even tho I play fully patched Warlords, I'm probably not aggressive enough.
              No matter where you go, there you are. - Buckaroo Banzai
              "I played it [Civilization] for three months and then realised I hadn't done any work. In the end, I had to delete all the saved files and smash the CD." Iain Banks, author

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              • #22
                I can almost always win on Prince (or so I think ), never (so far) on Deity, haven't tried anything in between.
                Oh yeah, I'm only playing Warlords anymore.
                Baal: "You dare mock me ?"
                O'Neill: "Baal, c'mon, you should know ... Of course I dare mock you."

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by absimiliard
                  I play on Monarch mostly. However I can only consistently win on Prince.

                  I don't play Vanilla CivIV though. I play fully patched Warlords.

                  -abs

                  That about sums it up.

                  Like someone said earlier, I was able to beat the AI in earlier Civs at the highest levels, this is different.
                  On the ISDG 2012 team at the heart of CiviLIZation

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                  • #24
                    finally beat noble! hooray! i feel adequate!
                    "Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools, because they have to say something."

                    Which one are you?

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                    • #25
                      I was able to win on Monarch level on pre-2.08 Warlords, although I did not enjoy those games (even the wins) as much as I usually enjoy playing, since it required such a single-minded focus.

                      On Blake's AI, I have been able to win at Prince consistently. Right now, I'm playing as Mansa (oddly, the first time I've *ever* played with Mansa -- no real reason why, just worked out that way,) and am running away with the game at 1715. (I may not play with him much again -- I think his combination of traits make him a much more dangerous competitor....)

                      I haven't played Civ in a couple of months, but fired it up again because all the BtS hype whetted my appetite. I think I'll bump it up to Monarch for the next game and see how that goes.

                      EDIT: Not so good.
                      Last edited by jkp1187; July 15, 2007, 18:44.
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                      -Matt Groenig

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                      • #26
                        I can win reguarly at Prince.

                        Monarch is more of a 50% 50% shot depending heavy on the quality of the start.

                        I HAVE however won at even higher levels on occasion, usually by using mass quelcha rush, or using the Terra exploit.

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                        • #27
                          Terra exploit?
                          No matter where you go, there you are. - Buckaroo Banzai
                          "I played it [Civilization] for three months and then realised I hadn't done any work. In the end, I had to delete all the saved files and smash the CD." Iain Banks, author

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                          • #28
                            sounds like a european metal band.
                            "Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools, because they have to say something."

                            Which one are you?

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                            • #29
                              The AI largely ignores the potential of early settling of the new world.

                              If you aim for early astronomy, and get your settlers and escorts ready ahead of time, you can settle a good part of the new world and use this as leverage to win the rest of the game.

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                              • #30
                                I almost always play Prince now that Blakes AI changes are loaded, but I can win at Monarch except that I don't like playing that aggressively. So for me I have very fun games at Prince. Of course I only finish maybe 1 in 10 or 1 in 20 starts. Usually I play until I am forced to sleep and then when I start playing again I start a new game. Seems like some sort of addiction that keeps me in the early years. I guess I like expanding better than consolidating.

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