My nice science city.

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Originally posted by rah
The removal of the wonder limit in one city is the main thing that makes OCC wins possible. Every good thing is multiplied and multiplied and multiplied.

They are not multiplied, they are summed (if you mean hammers, culture, science and gold).

Initial: 10
+50% from buildings
+100% from wonders
Total: 25

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My nice science city.

Originally posted by MightyTiny


Not impossible - challenging maybe.

The difficulty varies greatly with how much occupiable land there is on the map, and how many opponents you have.

If there's a lot of land, that means that others are going to have larger empires, which makes things very difficult for anyone with just one city - in large land masses then, adding more opponents will make things a little easier; then there aren't likely to be many large empires.

The easiest map settings, by far, that I've tried to play an OCC on are the following:
- Standard "Islands" map (Though I guess with a smaller map, it might be even easier)
- Number of large islands per player: 1
- Sea level: High
- Number of tiny islands: None
- Resources: Balanced (This is a setting that comes with Warlords, and "balanced" ensures that you'll have all the essential military resouces near by to your starting location.)

On that map, everyone has an island, and civs won't be able to contact each other before they get their first caravels, and won't be able to launch a military land campaign before the discovery of astronomy.

That means that all empires will be fairly small, and you can safely ignore military in the early game, and concentrate on building infrastructure and wonders.

In OCC, the difficulty is in balancing a few things:

First, you need to get to rocketry before others in order to get a head start on the space race. You'll need a head start, because others will have better production capacity with many cities, and towards the end of the game, often have better research rates.

Second, you need to maintain a credible defense, so as not to end up being attacked by everybody, and related to that, you need to manage diplomacy very well - make strong friends, and few enemies. Agree to join wars when your friends ask you, provided that the target isn't much stronger than you or your allies.

In the early game I've found that it's generally wise to agree to give tribute when someone demands it - you'll be somewhat vunerable untill the mid-game or so, when things settle down a little and you'll have time to churn out military forces.

I think playing OCC teaches a lot about the game, in addition to being fun.

I used to think that in OCC, the most important aspect of the starting location would be good commerce: gold, gems, and/or plenty of space to build cottages. And a financial leader.

However, I've found that in OCC, it's probably better to focus on running a specialist based economy: that means that food is most important. A location with great food is much better than a location with great commerce; you'll get much of the research from specialists, running representation.

For that purpose, my favourite leader to use is Peter of Russia: he's philosophical (extra GP generation), and expansive (extra health to allow greater city growth).

If you want to try it out, I think you'll be able to find out many more hints as to how to play OCC in the strategy & education forum.

Thank's for so detailed story. I always like to control only a few cities, and don't like large maps. It's very good, that we have such mode. I'll try it.
But civilizations with most city quantity as a rule win.

[Smellycowsquid]

It was at Noble, and I would say I won fairly easy-especially for not having alot of the good resources-oil, uranium, aluminum, and was 4 or 5 SS parts ahead of the person who was nearest to me.

So, if you play at a level easy for you, you should come away with an easy victory.

[Addled Platypus]

seeing your mini map, it was a human vs AI ??

all the ships where for circumnavigating ?

[Smellycowsquid]

No, I was in a war with Shaka, got coal from Ghandi, I think I could have avoided that war, and would have had an even higher science output.

[Addled Platypus]

survived a war in OCC..nice

other screenies, when you get the chance

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Originally posted by rah
The removal of the wonder limit in one city is the main thing that makes OCC wins possible. Every good thing is multiplied and multiplied and multiplied.

In Civ 4 v.1.61 in OCC mode I can't build Hindu Mandir because it required 3 Hindu Temples! But I can build Globe Theatre (having only 1 theatre because of OCC)! So Hindu Mandir with bug.

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I ends my first OCC game.
Standard map, normal speed, noble difficulty.

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It was very hard, because they wanted to kill me. I have in ten times smaller population than others. I have less score and one of my opponent built spaceship as quickly as I did. But I constructed Internet and with it and my 1000 science rate I got all tech to complete all parts. And the opponent don't have all required technologies. But he did many drops on my territory wich slow down my economics and construction. But I won in the year 2051 (I don't like to determine the winner by the scores in the year 2050 and as a rule turn off this option).
The resume is next:
1) OCC is for Deities
2) As I can see on the first picture in this thread in the Civ 4: Warlords in the city screen we can see four different spesialist's faces and detailed statistics on how many you have each of them and what they gives to the city. It's a pity, but in my version 1.61 there is no such popup window. All new super spesialists added in the corresponding order and that specialists who haven't place is not visible at all. That means that on this weekends I must by this addon
3) Civ 2 maybe was more interested in space ship race because the space ship must fly to Alfa Centaura 20-50 turns and if your capital captured - ship destroyed. So if you launch the ship other civilizations start try to capture your capital and you must defend it. Trip length is depending on how many different extended parts for yor ship you constructed (such as extended fuel tanks and so forth).
4) How did you got so many hammers, Smellycowsquid???

[MightyTiny]

Well done collapse! A victory on the first try at OCC is excellent.

As for how Smellycowsquid got so many hammers, look at the number of great engineers he's settled.... that's +33 hammers right there!

That's a very powerful strategy - creating GP points for great engineers, and settling them as specialists. With representation they give great beakers in addition to a significant amount of hammers.

I usually avoid building non-essential wonders that don't produce great engineer points, because I want to minimize my chance of getting some other GP. I do build one or two wonders that give great scientists though.

You have strikingly few troops at your city though! I assume that most of your army was at your borders, and so out of view?

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Originally posted by MightyTiny
As for how Smellycowsquid got so many hammers, look at the number of great engineers he's settled.... that's +33 hammers right there!

I also had 5-6 great engineers but as I sad they don't visible.

Originally posted by MightyTiny
You have strikingly few troops at your city though! I assume that most of your army was at your borders, and so out of view?

Most of them was destroyed. But I have railroads and big cultural area and also can build tanks at one turn. So it was not so hard to defend myself.


I dont know where I could spend all gold. A have 100% on science and +44 gold per turn.

[MightyTiny]

The reason everyone was trying to kill you is probably because of your low number of troops - if you remain near the top in military strength, you won't have that problem. If you are preceived as weak, the other leaders will tend to try and take advantage of that.

I've found that in OCC there's usually time in the mid-game when you don't have anything crucial to construct, and that time I always use to churn out military. Then in the later game I can just use my money to upgrade them, as I gain military techs, and can maintain a pretty credible defence as deterrant against agression without having to build too many fresh troops.

There are some leaders that you reallly can't avoid a war with - if Montezuma is in the game, you can count on him attacking you. But most leaders won't go to war with you if you maintain decent relations and keep a decent sized military standing by. Also, with a decent sized military, the other leaders don't ask for tributes so often.

There's another use for your extra gold too: give gold as gifts every now and then to the other leaders to keep them happy.

[Krill]

good game Collapse. Well done on the first OCC victory.

I just played a quick OCC game to see how much bpt I could get. Used Settler difficulty (yeah, the win wasn't in doubt...), Tilted axis with normal continents, small map, random civs, quick game speed (No differwence to game mechanics except everything goes, well, quicker). Picked Lizzie, because I needed to cottage right at the end to get max bpt from the cottages and bureaucracy. Popped scientists for as long as possible, and still got way too many artists, considering the odds they were popping out at. At the hieght of the game London was size 39 with everything irrigated and no unhealthiness, using 19 scientists, pacifism, and national epic.

This is the result on the last turn of the game: (click to enlarge)

[Smellycowsquid]

Someone asked this on civfanatics-and someone said a specialists encon. was the way to go, I tried with peter, (Phil, Exp) got pyramids, then used Library to get Science points, got great library for more science, but in the end I wasn't very happy with my science score. I believe the way to go is with Lizzie, because you can have a hybred econ with Rep.

survived a war in OCC..nice

other screenies, when you get the chance

Sorry, game has been over a long time...

Maybe I'll try another OCC tonight at an easier level to see what I get...