Traits post-Warlords 2.08

[Common Sensei]

What are everyone's thoughts on the traits with the adjustments made with the latest patch?

I find myself playing Creative leaders a lot more often now. The cheap Libraries are very tempting. Of course Augustus Caesar got the most benefit since both of his traits got a boost. He seems ridiculously well-rounded now with benefits that span almost all of the ages.

If they were planning these tweaks to originally occur with the actual release of the expansion pack, I can see why they took Creative away from Frederick. He would have gotten cheap Libraries and Universities, and gotten the first Great Scientist blindingly quickly.

I haven't messed with Expansive much, but from what I've been reading, it's indirectly better than Imperialistic for generating Settlers faster.

[Krill]

Exp is a gorgeous trait to have IMO, nicer than IMP unless you are going to be a warmonger and plan on capturing a few workers...

[Arrian]

EXP and CRE are two traits that I really need to try playing again. I've long had them in my "meh" pile. But they're not meh anymore. I doubt either will become favorites, though.

-Arrian

[Kuciwalker]

I missed the change to CRE. Now I really want to start a game as Augustus...

[Arrian]

ORG got a late-game boost too (cheap factories). It remains one of my favorites.

-Arrian

[Senethro]

The fun new leaders are Augustus and Mehmed. Loads of cheap buildings, good UBs and UUs. Praet rushing works as well as ever while Mehmed should prioritise Machinery--> Guilds --> Gunpowder for a Knight assisted Jannissary rush, with a possible followup of Engineering --> Chemistry for Trebs and Grenadiers.

[joncnunn]

I'm actually wondering if Org is now ridicously overpowered?

Let's see:
1. Cheap Lighthouses for your costal cities.
2. Reduced maintenance cost for being Organized.
3. Cheap Court Houses to further reduce city maintenance cost directly and indirectly get much faster FP to further reduce city maintenance costs.
4. And now cheap Factories.

[Jaybe]

Originally posted by joncnunn
2. Reduced maintenance cost for being Organized.

Minor quibble: it's halved CIVICS upkeep, not city maintenance.
Makes those high-cost civics quite manageable.

[Snotty]

Originally posted by joncnunn
I'm actually wondering if Org is now ridicously overpowered?

Let's see:
1. Cheap Lighthouses for your costal cities.
2. Reduced maintenance cost for being Organized.
3. Cheap Court Houses to further reduce city maintenance cost directly and indirectly get much faster FP to further reduce city maintenance costs.
4. And now cheap Factories.

Its mostly a late game trait though? although I do love the cheap lighthouses

[One_more_turn]

Most of my games are over by the time I get to gunpowders. I usually play Standard Pangea.

I can't believe Augustus got buffed up again. This dude is already an overpowered monster. I was winning domination game with Augustus at Emperor level regularly before 1500AD.