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First a mild rant, and then a question. 
Why are some AI civs so "jerkish"? In Civ 2 It was the carthaginians (at least for me). Man, I hated those ****ers. There was not one game I had in civ 2 with them where they weren't backstabbing, saber rattling attack-you-at-the-soonest-opportunity slimebags. I actually had a self imposed rule in Civ 2....if the Carthies are in the game destroy them immediately. (I had that same rule for Yang in SMAC, and of course he was ALWAYS in the game) In Civ 3 it was the persians. Xerxes was an animal. As soon as he got immortals he built a gajillion of them and attacked. I hated him so badly my wife could hear me in the other room gnashing my teeth.
...and now we have the Aztecs. You know its a bad sign when in your 2nd contact with someone they say "I studied on killin' you!". Yeesh.
Current game...me as the Indians on a huge map, continents, noble level. (I'm a casual player so I need the practice. The only other civ on my continent is Monty. I successfully boxed him in the southern part of the continent and kept the peace with religion and trades. But I knew he'd backstab me sooner or later. A continent only a stones throw away is Tokugawa. Like Monty, I don't trust him. Has anyone EVER had a game with Tokugawa where he was pleased or friendly? But with naval technology low I knew I was fairly safe from him. On the other side of the world the Romans, the Mali, the Americans, th greeks and the english share a continent. Rome is 2nd in power next to me and Caesar has started demanding stuff. I blew him off only because he can't really reach me yet, but then i realized....one of these jerks will probably team up with or use Monty as a proxy to fight me....if Monty doesn't just do it himself. And I know he will, sooner or later. He cancelled our open borders deal so he's getting uppity. Now, Monty has about 4 cities that are in decent areas. He's closing the tech gap. All he needs is time to build a large force and its gonna get ugly. I had a decent army. not huge, but obviously enough to keep him from getting froggy. So I decided to attack. Now, Monty's army is small compared to mine, and he doesn't have knights yet, but i can't draw too many of my forces from the north or the east...I KNOW....I can feel it...that if I do that Caesar or Tokugawa will show up. But I made two stacks and took two of his border cities while I set my cities to crank out more knights and pikemen. As soon as I took them though Tokugawa calls me up to demand guilds. I refuse, since he has education but won't trade it (its red....but I wouldn't have given him guilds anyway. Thats like giving Hannibal Lecter a carving knife) Caesar is rattling his saber at me too.
Did I make a mistake in starting my war with Monty? Its not going to be too hard to beat him if no one else kicks any sand up, but I don't think the others will give me the luxury of one war at a time. And I felt that I had to attack Monty now, or later on he'd be harder to defeat and well, its flippin' Lex Lutho....I mean Montezuma. He's gonna backstab me the second he gets a chance. My goal was to take his 4 good cities, pillage the crappy ones and bit and sue for peace. That way he'd be laughable later in the game and no real threat. But now I'm thinking he might team up with the other guys for some payback if I let him live. I could have not attacked and built up a bigger more modern force for defense, but Monty makes me nervous. Did i make a bad move?
Why are some AI civs so "jerkish"? In Civ 2 It was the carthaginians (at least for me). Man, I hated those ****ers. There was not one game I had in civ 2 with them where they weren't backstabbing, saber rattling attack-you-at-the-soonest-opportunity slimebags. I actually had a self imposed rule in Civ 2....if the Carthies are in the game destroy them immediately. (I had that same rule for Yang in SMAC, and of course he was ALWAYS in the game) In Civ 3 it was the persians. Xerxes was an animal. As soon as he got immortals he built a gajillion of them and attacked. I hated him so badly my wife could hear me in the other room gnashing my teeth.
...and now we have the Aztecs. You know its a bad sign when in your 2nd contact with someone they say "I studied on killin' you!". Yeesh.
Current game...me as the Indians on a huge map, continents, noble level. (I'm a casual player so I need the practice. The only other civ on my continent is Monty. I successfully boxed him in the southern part of the continent and kept the peace with religion and trades. But I knew he'd backstab me sooner or later. A continent only a stones throw away is Tokugawa. Like Monty, I don't trust him. Has anyone EVER had a game with Tokugawa where he was pleased or friendly? But with naval technology low I knew I was fairly safe from him. On the other side of the world the Romans, the Mali, the Americans, th greeks and the english share a continent. Rome is 2nd in power next to me and Caesar has started demanding stuff. I blew him off only because he can't really reach me yet, but then i realized....one of these jerks will probably team up with or use Monty as a proxy to fight me....if Monty doesn't just do it himself. And I know he will, sooner or later. He cancelled our open borders deal so he's getting uppity. Now, Monty has about 4 cities that are in decent areas. He's closing the tech gap. All he needs is time to build a large force and its gonna get ugly. I had a decent army. not huge, but obviously enough to keep him from getting froggy. So I decided to attack. Now, Monty's army is small compared to mine, and he doesn't have knights yet, but i can't draw too many of my forces from the north or the east...I KNOW....I can feel it...that if I do that Caesar or Tokugawa will show up. But I made two stacks and took two of his border cities while I set my cities to crank out more knights and pikemen. As soon as I took them though Tokugawa calls me up to demand guilds. I refuse, since he has education but won't trade it (its red....but I wouldn't have given him guilds anyway. Thats like giving Hannibal Lecter a carving knife) Caesar is rattling his saber at me too.
Did I make a mistake in starting my war with Monty? Its not going to be too hard to beat him if no one else kicks any sand up, but I don't think the others will give me the luxury of one war at a time. And I felt that I had to attack Monty now, or later on he'd be harder to defeat and well, its flippin' Lex Lutho....I mean Montezuma. He's gonna backstab me the second he gets a chance. My goal was to take his 4 good cities, pillage the crappy ones and bit and sue for peace. That way he'd be laughable later in the game and no real threat. But now I'm thinking he might team up with the other guys for some payback if I let him live. I could have not attacked and built up a bigger more modern force for defense, but Monty makes me nervous. Did i make a bad move?
Seriously, AI, THREE guys? Thats more of a nuisance than a threat! Still, I held off my attack on Monty again because I don't want 2 wars at once. I have a decent Army, but I have most of the continent to cover with it. I think my best bet now is to cooncentrate on defense and science. I can leave monty alone if he leaves me alone and crush him if he doesn't. But getting into wars I don't need will probably cost me the game right now. I saved and went to bed, but first I wanted to see what would happen if i did attack Monty. (I didn't save this part). He has musketmen now, not a lot. I can take him out but it won't be as easy since he has a city on a hill in my path to his capitol. He can hold off for awhile by wounding my stacks so they need to heal and reinforce, and frankly, he's not worth the effort right now. I'm losing my tech lead and I need to get it back.
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