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  • Technical Mental Midget

    Dear Forumites

    This might seem like an odd question to the more technically adept among you, but unfortunately when God was giving out Brains, I thought he said “Trains” and I asked for a big slow one! So here goes ….

    I’ve always enjoyed the “Civilization” series and have at one point or another owned each one so far, that is until the latest one.

    About the time that “Civ 4” was being released, my “long in the tooth” gaming pc was finally giving up the ghost after many years faithful service and then sadly “popped its clogs” which with nowhere near enough spare cash to even consider a replacement, left me forlorn in a gameless wilderness.

    All was not lost though as a few months later (May just gone) my lovely wife bought me a shiny new “X-Box 360” and while it’s not a PC, I am very much enjoying it. But you can’t play “Civ 4” on a 360. (At least not at the moment.)

    I also have a laptop which I use for work and though it was bought specifically with work in mind (hence no 3D graphics card etc.) I do play the occasional game on it.

    One of the games which works beautifully on the system is “Civ 3”, but I’ve always assumed that “Civ 4” would be beyond its capabilities.

    I know little or nothing about “Specs” as such, but I wrote down what I found under system info and here it is.

    Microstar Professional Notebook
    Intel ®
    Celeron ® CPU 2.00 GHz
    1.99 GHz 224 MB of RAM

    Anyway, I recently saw “Civ 4” at a bargain price and was suddenly possessed by the strangest feeling that it WOULD work on my laptop after all. So after fishing around on the net for a bit I managed to find and download a demo for the game, which I installed with high hopes and anticipation of buying the full game if it ran ok.

    Short story…. It didn’t! But there was just something about the actual was it refused to play ball, which made me wonder if the full game would act the same way or not.

    The demo was fine up to selection screens, but when I clicked to move into the game proper it simply crashed with no actual explanation as such, but an option to report the failure to Microsoft.

    So what I’m wondering is this….

    Is the failure of the Demo a definite indication that the game proper will not run on my machine (as I originally assumed) or is it (as I am wishfully hoping) that the full game contains something like … oh I don’t know… “Flash 9” or something like that, which it’ll install on my system in order to run properly, but the current absence of which makes it impossible to run the demo.

    Erm…. Reading that back I’m not sure the question makes sense, so I’m hoping that between your combined brainpower will be enough to decipher what I’m trying to say.

    Yours with fingers (claws) crossed.

    Badger

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    Re: Technical Mental Midget

    Originally posted by CivBadger
    no 3D graphics card
    That would be a problem, as the game requires:

    "DirectX 9.0c-compatible 64 MB video card with Hardware T&L support ( GeForce 2/Radeon 7500 or better)"

    Also that 224MB of RAM is below the minimum required..
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    • #3
      Yup,
      I agree with Stuie.

      Looks like you have to wait till you´ve got the money to buy another PC with rather new harware (Graphics card according to te specs Stuie mentioned, 2 GHz at least [unless you don´t mind waiting times of 10 minutes or more between turns during the modern era] and 512+ MB RAM)
      or until you convince your wife that you absolutely need the new PC.
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      • #4
        try again on the demo, at the first selection screen choose options and configure (i think) and turn all the graphical settings off, any option that sounds like turning something off

        Then try again, best of luck!

        also try setting up the game so it has a small or tiny map. I have a laptop with the same amount of ram as you and it chokes on the larger maps
        Last edited by Snotty; August 16, 2006, 11:34.
        Safer worlds through superior firepower

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        • #5
          even with a 64mb graphics card i would imagine the game to be almost unplayable. my old computer was 2.4ghz, 3.5g ram, and a 256mb graphics (an old one, that is) and the game only ran acceptably at lowest settings.

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          • #6
            I agree with jbp26. My previous computer had 1.5 GB of ram, 2 GHz CPU and 128 MB 5600, and Civ 4 was slooow, and nearly unplayable on modern/large maps. I built a new computer to play Civ 4, but it would probably have sufficed to buy a new GPU.

            However, this would not help CivBadger, as the whole machine would have to be upgraded to allow relatively fluent play on all but the most primitive map settings. Buying or building a new computer surely is the best advice one can give.

            or is it (as I am wishfully hoping) that the full game contains something like … oh I don’t know… “Flash 9” or something like that, which it’ll install on my system in order to run properly, but the current absence of which makes it impossible to run the demo.
            There have been changes made to the full game with patches to improve the performance, but I believe that these changes are already part of the demo.

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            • #7
              Thankyou all for such speedy and informative replies. It is of course the answer I expected, but hey, you don’t ask you don’t get right?

              I’ve always managed to see the Civs running as they were meant to be seen in all their glory (not that there’s usually been much in the way of graphical bells and whistles with Civ) and so I don’t think I’ll worry too much about experimenting with settings to see if I can get a poor mans version. I think that might be depressing. (Even in the unlikely event it worked.)

              I guess I’ll fire up Civ 3 again and use that to scratch my current populace guiding itch. Civ 3 runs like a dream on my antiquated box of tricks, even if she is little more than a typewriter with delusions of grandeur.

              My overall plan was that in a few years time, the current crop of cutting edge Ninja pc’s should be obsolete and have fallen to pocket money prices. If I pounce then I’ll have a machine which will not only be able to handle with one arm tied behind its back the titles now gathering dust on my shelf, but I will also be able to buy some of todays titles which I never got to see, which by then will also be at budget prices!

              Ha! A magnificent plan.

              In the meantime I hear that Civ will be coming to a “360” near me at some point. Though whether I’ll be prepared to stump up £50 for it is open to debate.

              Anyway, thanks again for your speedy and helpful replies. With such a friendly community here on your boards, it’s rather a shame that I won’t have any reason to hang around.

              All the best

              Badger

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              • #8
                Once a civver always a civver Ask Yin

                with regards to budget laptops at the moment they dont have much grunt, especially graphically. You can put yourself a versatile desktop together cheaply now, because its easier to upgrade the bits you need in a desktop specifically for gaming
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                • #9
                  substiute with Civ3 until you are up to date


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jbp26
                    even with a 64mb graphics card i would imagine the game to be almost unplayable. my old computer was 2.4ghz, 3.5g ram, and a 256mb graphics (an old one, that is) and the game only ran acceptably at lowest settings.
                    Please don't do the mistake to focus on how much RAM a graphics card has to measure it's performance. It's a cheap trick from the producers to spec low-end cards with a lot of RAM (or use from the machine's RAM) but the card itself is not good engough to benefit the extra MB's or the RAM chips are too slow...

                    Snotty has a point. You can get relative good computers for not too much money these days, £500-800 I'd guess. Get one with at least 512MB RAM. Also, be aware your graphics will suffer, but with low enough setting you should be able to run it reasonably.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CivBadger
                      Anyway, thanks again for your speedy and helpful replies. With such a friendly community here on your boards, it’s rather a shame that I won’t have any reason to hang around.
                      Well... there's still the Civ3 forums, and Other Games... or if you're a real masochist you can check out the Off-Topic forums. Of course the OTF will change your mind about the "friendly community" bit.
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                      "I trust Stuie and all involved." - SlowwHand
                      "Stuie is right...." - Guynemer

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MoonWolf

                        Please don't do the mistake to focus on how much RAM a graphics card has to measure it's performance. It's a cheap trick from the producers to spec low-end cards with a lot of RAM (or use from the machine's RAM) but the card itself is not good engough to benefit the extra MB's or the RAM chips are too slow...

                        Snotty has a point. You can get relative good computers for not too much money these days, £500-800 I'd guess. Get one with at least 512MB RAM. Also, be aware your graphics will suffer, but with low enough setting you should be able to run it reasonably.
                        yeah i found that out the hard way. despite the decent processor and excessive RAM, that slow video card made everything drag. good thing i got a new computer.

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                        • #13
                          my desktop graphic card sells for around 30 quid on pricerunner. sapphire radeon 9250 256mb ddr agp. It does the job for civ 4 running good graphic settings with very few graphical glitches. Its not much cop for playing games with intensive graphical effects like Doom 3 though. I should imagine I could put my desktop together for less than £300 using that card and no monitor
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                          • #14
                            You could also do with some more RAM.

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