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[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by MrFun
Just to clarify -- I don't take this exploitation that I mentioned to a gross extreme. I only explore no more than four turns and then reload the game at the beginning of the first turn.

Most of the time you won't find a better site.

You could take a peek with the WB yourself and decide.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by MrFun
Just to clarify -- I don't take this exploitation that I mentioned to a gross extreme. I only explore no more than four turns and then reload the game at the beginning of the first turn.

It's not like I explore the whole damn map and then reload -- so it's not cheating to the extreme, when I leave something like 99% of the map unknown to myself.

Just as one cannot be a little bit pregnant, one cannot cheat a bit.

[padillah]

Originally posted by Rancidlunchmeat


Hmm... What?

The game autosaves after the first turn, not prior to it.

So there's two of you that don't know how the game has worked since CIV 2 (or Civ 2 or Civ II or whatever)

In "\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Saves\single\auto" there is a "AutoSave_Initial_BC-4000.Civ4SavedGame". That is saveed right before any units are revealed.

If you look on the left real quick you can see is save right before you join the game.

Oh, and yes.. it's cheating.

Why not just go into world builder, see whats there and do it that way instead of saving and reloading?

Agreed. Peeking is peeking.

That said I've replayed a game and done so differently because I knew how the map would play out. But that's a complete replay, not just wandering around for discoverys's sake.

Tom P.

[Datajack Franit]

Peeking is cheating

[Dis]

I always settle. The initial starting sites seem to be much better than in past civ game (though I almost always settled first in those games as well).

[wardhali]

Just an observation about AI starting position,

twice now on noble i have noticed that the AI ends up with an implausible starting position at one of the poles with habitable terrain in thier fat cross, and a giant ring of tundra and ice surrounding it, often they will heve 2 or 3 sea resorces as well, it seems to me that the map builder makes the AI starting position habitable. Thoughts appreciated and screenshot attached

[MrFun]

Originally posted by DrSpike


Just as one cannot be a little bit pregnant, one cannot cheat a bit.

LIES!!!!

[DrSpike]

I can tell from your reaction that you know I am right.

[Datajack Franit]

So choosing an inhabitable world and reloading once the Human player finds a decent start, is definitely the way of kicking at least 2 of the AI out of the competition

[Azuarc]

Agreed. Peeking is peeking.

That said I've replayed a game and done so differently because I knew how the map would play out. But that's a complete replay, not just wandering around for discoverys's sake.

So what does it mean if you play on the Earth scenario just to use some familiar terrain?

[Prussia]

If you start anywhere besides Europe on most world maps, you are at a disadvantage.

[Azuarc]

Originally posted by Prussia
If you start anywhere besides Europe on most world maps, you are at a disadvantage.

You think? I consider it a disadvantage to be so boxed in by other civs, but maybe I need to go for some early conquest.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Prussia
If you start anywhere besides Europe on most world maps, you are at a disadvantage.

Definately on the eath map that came with the original game. china isn't bad. but I just couldn't compete with germany. The mongols are horrible. The computer seems to do pretty well with Egypt though. I guess because all the flood plains.

[Azuarc]

That also depends on which Earth you do -- the 18 civs or the "normal" one with just 9. If you do the small one, Germany can expand out across eastern Europe unrestricted and Egypt has all of Africa until they open up borders or someone builds boats. I've played that one as Egypt, and the computer never seems to settle in Africa if you close your borders to them walking through the Suez.

[Qwertqwert]

On the Earth 18 Civ China, Japan, and India start doing a lot better in the Modern age. Which is really odd considering how that that's actually happening. Also America is whiped out by barbarians/Aztecs by 1300. I am playing a game as England, I'm still in the lead, I hit my peak lead at about 1200 or 1300 when I had atleast 25% more points then 2nd place, but I could have probabally played a lot better since then. Now, at about 1850, I have just slightly more then a 10% lead over 2nd place.

ANd on randomly generated maps, atleast 95% of the time there is a better spot within 3 tiles of where my settler starts. Though I generally use smartmap.