Culture Level 3 working

[Qwertqwert]

Is there a way I can make it so citizens can work on the 3rd culture level expansion (or 3 tiles away from the city).

[MasterDave]

There is no way to work tiles outside of your "fat cross" which is two tiles away from your city tile, if that is what you are asking.

If you are asking how you can make citizens directly increase cultural output, the best answer is to make them artist specialists (build a theater first, or use caste system).

[padillah]

You mean you can't do the mod described in this thread?

You might want to tell him that before he goes and puts all that work in.

It took an SDK mod to do it but yes, it can be done.

Tom P.

[Petek]

Re: Culture Level 3 working

Originally posted by Qwertqwert
Is there a way I can make it so citizens can work on the 3rd culture level expansion (or 3 tiles away from the city).

See this thread on Civ Fanatics for a mod that allows you to work squares outside the usual "fat cross". Haven't tested it myself, though.

[padillah]

Oh, I wonder if they are the same? And if not what's different.

Tom P.

[LordShiva]

Build another city 4 tiles away

[Petek]

Originally posted by padillah
Oh, I wonder if they are the same? And if not what's different.

Tom P.

They're the same, just on different forums. Didn't see the one on 'Poly, or would've posted the same link as yours.

[padillah]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Build another city 4 tiles away

There's already talk (On CivFan) of making this grow to 4 or 5 or 6 tiles away from city center.

The city would go from a simple cross

  X
 XCX
  X

...to a square, to a pointy cross...

  X
 XXX
XXCXX
 XXX
  X

... a fat cross, a pointy fat cross... etc. etc.

Tom P.

[LordShiva]

Someone should make a banana-shaped cross

   x
 xx
xx
xx
xC
 xx
  xx
    x

[Jaybe]

Obsessed, he is.

Lord Shiva, you should try almonds. They are also quite good, and then you could go nuts instead of bananas.

[Smellycowsquid]

to above posts

[Qwertqwert]

Thanks

[Azuarc]

I always thought as cities expanded, they should make varying use of the tiles with respect to their proximity. For example, let's say all tiles can have low, medium or high production. (Mostly food and hammers, trade to a lesser extent.)

Now let's suppose a size 1 city uses the actual city tile as high production, and can use the 4 neighboring tiles at medium production level.

When the city gets to size 3, it gets a true 1 square radius, but the diagonals are low productivitiy. Neighboring tiles become high productivity.

At size 5, the diagonals get upped to medium, as well as the main tile dropping to medium (cause there aren't as much farmland and natural resources remaining around the city,) and the the 4 spaces that are exactly two out from the city become low production.

At size 7, the city is expanding to the point that there isn't much in the main tile at all - it goes to low - although there is some bonus commerce. Meanwhile the two-out tiles become medium and the diagonals go to high. (There are 12 total workable tiles at this point.)

At size 9, the "knight's move" spaces become available at low, the two-out spaces become medium, and the one-out spaces drop to medium as the city's metropolitan area starts to expand into those regions. (You have your full fat cross of 20 tiles at this point.)

At size 11, the knight's move become medium production.

At size 13, the two-outs go to high, and the neighboring spaces drop to low-but-with-bonus-commerce.

At size 15, the diagonals drop to medium, and the spaces three out from the city become available as low production.

At size 17, the two-out diagonals also open up at a low level.

At size 20, the diagonals become absorbed by the city, and all the remaining tiles are at least medium production.

And certain techs would expand upon the productivity levels of some of your tiles, such that you would have mostly high productivity spaces at endgame out of your remaining tiles, and the inner-city commerce would be quite nice.


This way, cities would actually feel like they are growing as they grow, rather than just having more raw tiles worked. It also gives some much more interesting bonus options, and gives incentive for people to question, "With these cities 4 spaces apart, do I want my capital using this tile at low productivity with Bureaucracy running and a bunch of improvements, or leave it for my fledgling settlement that gets high productivity from it?" To say the least, locating cities gets more interesting.

Also, because cities would have high production from their city tile initially, you would rarely have an issue where founding a city in a good place presently surrounded by jungle will cause the settlement to be fairly stuck on growth, as it should at least be able to hit that size 3 level. (And how much sense does it make now for a size 1 city, obviously with cultural support, to be working those knight's move spaces?)

Obviously, there could be some logistical issues with direct implementation, but I think it would be an interesting bent on the way cities grow now.

[LordShiva]

Too complicated.

[MasterDave]

Originally posted by Jaybe
Obsessed, he is.

Lord Shiva, you should try almonds. They are also quite good, and then you could go nuts instead of bananas.

Almonds and long, drawn out posts are for hippies