Salidin is stupid, who else is?

[zeace]

I just had an archipelago game where my religion (Buddism) spread to a city on the other side of the planet even though I'd only known sailing for a few turns. I got to meet the Romans this way, even though no scout of mine made it to the Roman isles until thousands of years later. There was a coast-only route between us, but it went through many other civs. The Romans already had a religion at this point, so it seemed odd that my religion would spread to them instead of their own.

Anyway, there's obviously at lot of randomness in the spread of religions and some weird things can happen.

[Ijuin]

Originally posted by MasterDave
I was in a multiplayer game last night where a player with no religions set himself to Theocracy so I could not convert his cities to Buddhism.

How is that possible? I was under the impression that Theocracy and other religious civics are unavailable until you have a state religion.

[CerberusIV]

Originally posted by Ijuin


How is that possible? I was under the impression that Theocracy and other religious civics are unavailable until you have a state religion.

They are available - but you only get the specific benefits in cities with your state religion. In this case you can't spread your religion to his cities but he doesn't get the extra experience for any units he builds.

[Adagio]

Maybe he had a state religion before, but then his only city with that religion was taken? That way he would still have a state religion, making it possible to use the other civics

I'm not sure if you can change a religious civic when not having a state religion or not, but I don't see why that should be locked

[Blaupanzer]

Originally posted by Blake
[1]Religion spreads through all possible trade routes.
[2[There are no possible trade routes across ocean before astronomy.
[3]There are no possible trade routes between civs who are at war.
[4]Therefore religion will not spread under those conditions.

Statements 1, 2 and 3 are correct. Howver, because religion can spread from any city to any other city that has none, 4 is not correct. The key is that religion will spread on any possible trade route, whether or not it is active. Rivers and roads early, then along coastlines, and last oceans post astronomy.

[MasterDave]

Originally posted by Adagio
Maybe he had a state religion before, but then his only city with that religion was taken? That way he would still have a state religion, making it possible to use the other civics

I'm not sure if you can change a religious civic when not having a state religion or not, but I don't see why that should be locked

Apparently you can change your religious civic without having a religion. This player did not lose any cities until my counterattack.

[Will9]

Originally posted by zeace
I just had an archipelago game where my religion (Buddism) spread to a city on the other side of the planet even though I'd only known sailing for a few turns. I got to meet the Romans this way, even though no scout of mine made it to the Roman isles until thousands of years later. There was a coast-only route between us, but it went through many other civs. The Romans already had a religion at this point, so it seemed odd that my religion would spread to them instead of their own.

Anyway, there's obviously at lot of randomness in the spread of religions and some weird things can happen.

The Romans could have had sailing.

I do think that the speard of religion does much randomness to it. Often when I am at the northern edge of the continent my religion will spread to the nation at the southern edge of the continent first. Usally to a city located in a spot that I didn't even know that the nation had settled in. I always have contact with the nation.

[Guardian]

Originally posted by MasterDave


Apparently you can change your religious civic without having a religion. This player did not lose any cities until my counterattack.

You can choose any civic you like, you just don't get the benefits from that civic unless

A) You do have a state religion.

and

B) The state religion is present in your cities.


So, it is technically possible to select a religious civic without having a state religion - or any religion at all. Why you'd want to is a different matter...

[padillah]

Originally posted by Blaupanzer

Originally posted by Blake
[1]Religion spreads through all possible trade routes.
[2[There are no possible trade routes across ocean before astronomy.
[3]There are no possible trade routes between civs who are at war.
[4]Therefore religion will not spread under those conditions

Statements 1, 2 and 3 are correct. Howver, because religion can spread from any city to any other city that has none, 4 is not correct. The key is that religion will spread on any possible trade route, whether or not it is active. Rivers and roads early, then along coastlines, and last oceans post astronomy.

How can a set of facts be true but the conclusion reached using those facts be false? I missed that part of debate.

Are you saying that if I am at war with Cyrus one of my cities can still spread religion to his city? I don't think so.

Heck, it's hard enough to get religion to spread under the best conditions, much less war.

Now, if you are saying that if I am at war with Cyrus, Alexander can still spread my religion to Cyrus then yes... but that's not me, it's Alex. Different conditions.

It's not as if any given civ OWNS their religion. I have spread religion from my cities to the srongest civ in the game and since they had it everyone wanted it. Not because of me, but because they feared Alexander (in this specific example).

Tom P.

[MasterDave]

I have seen religion spread between two countries at war both ways (my religion going to them and their religion coming to me). I have had it happen in multiplayer too, where being able to look into an opponent's city is a huge tactical advantage.

[padillah]

Hm, well there'd have to be very specific testing done to make sure it wasn't someone else in the game that had that religion and spread it to either one or both of you.

But that's interesting to see how complex (or convoluted) the spread of religion is made to appear.

Tom P.