Nation Painting for cIV

[_BuRjaCi_]

Originally posted by armchairknight
Now that I've had some time to think on it, I must admit that the idea has potential. It seems to me that it would primarily complicate military expansion, though. I really don't get much mileage out of my military. I use my military for defense and limited gain, not outright conquest. So it doesn't look like it would affect me so much. I do wonder, though, about the AI. Would these scripts also affect the AI? Would the AI handle it well? Or might they stumble over the politics of the situation?

It wouldn't realy complicate military expanison, since people from civs, that you haven't already wiped out , are already unhapy if you are at war with their motherland. The "minoritys"(nations that have lost their state) wouldn't cause any problems in unmoded cIV. It would make it easy for you to conquer multhinational empires compared to nation based empires (this is historicaly relativley acurate), since conquerd cities with large minotrities would stop rioting quickly, if your regime was more tolerante than the conquerd one (an 19th century Austrian empire based on nationhood would be an easy target for another one based on free speache, but thats the domain of MODS; if you don't like it don't download it, its that simple).
The AI wouldn't behave any differently, it would only have a new set of civics to chose from, except if you wanted to script the Russians in a 19th century scenario to be the "protectors" of cristian minorites in the Turkish balkans.

[_BuRjaCi_]

Originally posted by Zoid


Eeh, no. With the SDK you can mod in as many barbarian tribes as you desire. There is nothing you can´t do if you know how to code it.

Well yes..., but what if you aren't familiar with programing?
Why does the world builder allow you to change the religion of cities and not their national mix?

[Zoid]

Originally posted by _BuRjaCi_


Well yes..., but what if you aren't familiar with programing?

Well get familiar with it then. If it´s important enough to start a thread about (and you seem to have given this matter a great deal of thought) a little programming is an easy thing to learn, right?

Why does the world builder allow you to change the religion of cities and not their national mix?

You have to ask Soren about that, I have no idea...

[Son of David]

Originally posted by _BuRjaCi_


No assimilation.

Ask Heidi Klum or Vin Diesel's mom if 'no assimiliation' is very realistic.

[Qwertqwert]

Are you impling that Africa wasn't white in Colonial times?

[Older than Dirt]

So "rednecks" are by definition "bad people." And, were you for or against evolution and racism. Seems like evolution breeds racism. It sure helped Hiltler.

[padillah]

Originally posted by Older than Dirt
So "rednecks" are by definition "bad people." And, were you for or against evolution and racism. Seems like evolution breeds racism. It sure helped Hiltler.

The work that Hitler based his hatered on has been widley regarded as completely innacurate.

So, more to your point, the utter misunderstanding of evolution breeds racism.

Evolution, by definition, breeds races.

Tom P.

[LordShiva]

I still don't understand what this thread is about, but from what I gather, it seems like it's ripe for a locking.

[padillah]

Ostensibly it's about making "ethnicities" (read: civ designations) stick around after the civ is completely wiped out.

Why and the political ramifications are beyond me as well.

Geez, solver locks everything else... SOLVER! Oh, SOLVER!

Where's he go now.
Tom P.

[Son of David]

Originally posted by padillah
So, more to your point, the utter misunderstanding of evolution breeds racism.

Evolution, by definition, breeds races.

I agree with you completely, but let's pause a minute and see what Darwin himself said in one of his books:

'At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate the replace throughout the world the savage races.'

(The Descent of Man, Chapter 6 'Affinities and Genealogy)



This kind of comment makes Arthur de Gobineau look like Martin Luther King.

[padillah]

Originally posted by Son of David




I agree with you completely, but let's pause a minute and see what Darwin himself said in one of his books:

'At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate the replace throughout the world the savage races.'

(The Descent of Man, Chapter 6 'Affinities and Genealogy)



This kind of comment makes Arthur de Gobineau look like Martin Luther King.

Hmm, "action-based" racism? I'd have to look up the quote and determine the context and I know Solver is going to close this before I get a chance so... I can only hope he was using the coloquial form of "savage race" as a reference to those less civilised.

Tom P.

[Badtz Maru]

Originally posted by _BuRjaCi_
6.) We already have "details" in ethnicity, to ilustrate; New York in a game of mine the year is 1060 AD, 60% americain 27% german, 12% azteck 1% Incan; The germans took New York from FDR a few centuries ago, it took it from them and there is an Incan city near by influencing New York with culture.

That's not ethnicity, that's civilization cultural influence. Some of that "60% American" could be people who were ethnically Aztec but who felt allegiance towards the Americans and spoke their language. When the game refers to something as 'American' or 'Incan' or any descriptive term based on one of the 18 civilizations modelled in the game, they aren't talking about ethnicity.

[_BuRjaCi_]

Originally posted by Badtz Maru


That's not ethnicity, that's civilization cultural influence. Some of that "60% American" could be people who were ethnically Aztec but who felt allegiance towards the Americans and spoke their language. When the game refers to something as 'American' or 'Incan' or any descriptive term based on one of the 18 civilizations modelled in the game, they aren't talking about ethnicity.

You seem to misunderstand me I never wanted races in civ ( only in mods ). I don't know if ethnicity is used differently in English than in my language, because I only wanted nationalities ( hence nation-painting not race-painting or ethno-painting ) like the Polish in a 1941 scenarion, or the Incans sticking around for a few centuries after being concquerd by the Spanish, that was already there in Civ3, its a cosmetic alteration, but a very important one for modders who would like to put in a civil-war or reblion model.

Who qouted me as saying "no assimilation", I said no instant "assimilation". I mean to target some peoples hyper-political corectness; if I conquer the americains is it wrong for the game to execute a "final solution" without asking me about it . I can see it now "welcome to Civ4 where kiling the mali dosen't get you a 10 year trial at the Hague but a higher score"
... and "americain evangelical moms against civ" or "public outcry over racism and neo-nazi ideology in video-games"

Someone was accusing me of being intolerant to red-necks, so I realy dont care what color your neck is or where you come from, but if you push me hard enough, by constantly bashing my humanitarian beliefs (on several forums ) I may lower myself to your level and start spewing stuff that I don't mean.
Not all red-necks are bad, just the ones that think the world was created in seven days or the ones that belive in evolution but claim that the caucasian race is the pinical of human evolution.

And if you speak German, feel German and are treated as a German you have beeen assimilated and are German and not merley influenced by "German culture".

[_BuRjaCi_]

Originally posted by Son of David




I agree with you completely, but let's pause a minute and see what Darwin himself said in one of his books:

'At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate the replace throughout the world the savage races.'

(The Descent of Man, Chapter 6 'Affinities and Genealogy)



This kind of comment makes Arthur de Gobineau look like Martin Luther King.

Are you saying that Europeans havent wiped out nearly any little racial group they could get their hands on? Tell me, how many Aboriginies are left in Australia? Where will they be in 200 years? Darwin had to put "civilised" instead of "barbaric", it was the 19th century after all. And look at his time, it was a valid observation of what was happening.

[Senethro]

Please admins! Shoot this thread and put it out of its misery!