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  • Religion should it be different ?

    why is that when religion spreads passively it is always into a city with no religon?

    After all most cities have enough people to support multiple religions. In most mordern cities there are several and they mostly spread in recent times without the inervention of government.

    Also theocractic systems should also "passively" eleminate non state religions. To activley remove a religion the use of an Inqusitor unit is a possibility
    Free religion sholud accellerate this spread. No changes for pacifism or organised religion.

    I woluld also like to see the following rules added
    With the discovery of SM (sci method) all religions would spread into call civs not running theocracy.


    Can secular socities be modeled with out making the game unworkable?

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    Also theocractic systems should also "passively" eleminate non state religions. To activley remove a religion the use of an Inqusitor unit is a possibility
    Free religion sholud accellerate this spread. No changes for pacifism or organised religion.
    Our history has proven that most of the time a surpressed religion grows faster then a free religion
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    • #3
      why is that when religion spreads passively it is always into a city with no religon?

      That's how it's programmed. Religion can only auto spread to a city that has none.
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      • #4
        I'm not that sure.
        I think I had different religions spreading to the same city.
        From my small experience, my feeling is more that religions have a greater chance to spread to cities without religious buildings.
        Same for missionaries. My feeling is missionaries have it harder in cities already containing temples of other religions.
        Could be only feelings...
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        • #5
          Just assume that unless there are a significant number of followers recruited by a missionary, then there will be no facilities to worship in and they will be pressured or persecuted by those of the dominant religion.
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          • #6
            true Axxaer its just that building missonaries to spread religon is a pain in the arse when you can be building tanks instead

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            • #7
              Re: Religion should it be different ?

              Originally posted by unamablebuiler
              why is that when religion spreads passively it is always into a city with no religon?
              I've had religion spread into a city that already has a religion. It doesn't happen very often but it does happen.

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              • #8
                The scientific method idea = over powered.


                This would make free religion grossly over-powered, and there would never be a reason to run anything else. As it is now, you have to make an effort for free religion to have the greatest effect.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by unamablebuiler
                  true Axxaer its just that building missonaries to spread religon is a pain in the arse when you can be building tanks instead
                  One missionary can bring a strong civ into your religion. One tank... Not so much.
                  I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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                  • #10
                    Re: Re: Religion should it be different ?

                    Originally posted by Willem


                    I've had religion spread into a city that already has a religion. It doesn't happen very often but it does happen.
                    Are you sure about that? AFAIK and can remember, that shouldn't happen, unless something got changed of course.
                    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
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                    • #11
                      Re: Re: Re: Religion should it be different ?

                      Originally posted by alva


                      Are you sure about that? AFAIK and can remember, that shouldn't happen, unless something got changed of course.
                      Well I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure I've seen it happen. Like I said, it doesn't happen that often. I'll keep my eye out for it and post a save if I see it again.

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                      • #12
                        Perhaps a foreign missionary?
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                        • #13
                          The scientific method idea = over powered.
                          i was thinkinig it would be if the last religion spread as rapidily as religion into "empty" cities. Also if the changes to free religion were moved to say mass media that may dilute the effects somewhat. However that may also be too powerfu.

                          usssuallly mid to late game i am orgrel until i have spread religons far enough for free religon to be a benifit happines wise. quite often it doesn't happe because someone wins.

                          With that many missionaries it can be hard to tell who spread what but at lower levels the AI does not build missionaries as far as i know (never seen one) .. are they invisible ?

                          likewise i just noticed that when a religion auto spreads it does so into an empty city. this needs to be confirimed

                          just watch what happens when you encounter a non native religion

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                          • #14
                            Religions spreading to cities with another religion in happens all the time. Sounds like you dudes don't have any trade routes up or something.
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                            • #15
                              I have seen religions spread into cities that already have one or more faiths without seeing a missionary enter also. It happens rarely, but it does happen.

                              Also, in a recent game I founded Christianity (my third religion) a couple of turns after founding my third city (which had no religion yet), which I had planned to be Christianity's holy city. Instead, the religion got founded in my second city, which already was the holy city for Hinduism. I thought that holy cities were always founded first in a city with no religion if such a city was available. Instead I now have a double holy city, which is sort of a waste from a spreading culture perspective.

                              It seems that the "rules" about where religions spread and get founded are more like guildelines.
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