I am going to nuke Saladin if I ever get the chance!

[Dauphin]

It was France though. So would anyone, including allies, really care?

[0bsidi0n]

Originally posted by Blake
Those moaning camel hordes are a pain in the ass.

Ofcourse you only got in this predictament by not killing him right away. At the start Saladin is fairly passive and easily invaded for some sweet holy city booty. Come camels he has a change of personality. Saladin isn't quite on my kill-on-sight list, I prefer to let him build me some nice stuff first ... but... he does have to go sooner or later, because he can't be trusted.

I'm curious, who is on your kill-on-sight list?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by MrPhil
...she recently declared war on me out of the blue after being pleased with me.

That can only mean one thing: your civ is a cream puff militarily. If you are on the bottom in military terms computer players will not hesitate to attack you.

Don't forget to check your ranking from time to time. You don't have to be out in front. Being solidly in the middle will prevent most such attacks.

[MrPhil]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


That can only mean one thing: your civ is a cream puff militarily. If you are on the bottom in military terms computer players will not hesitate to attack you.

Don't forget to check your ranking from time to time. You don't have to be out in front. Being solidly in the middle will prevent most such attacks.

Well, I was very much outmatched technologically speaking. The only thing I had in my favor was the city defense gains but, that was only enough to hold them off. I had nothing for them if I had wanted to advance after they pulled back.

So, your assessment was spot on.

[MrPhil]

Originally posted by MightyTiny
MrPhil - I think that with successive games what you learn is a better handling of diplomatics. Religion switch is indeed a good option if threatened by a more powereful neighbour that you really don't want to fight... yet.

I did that in my ongoing game, when I had botched up my diplomatic dealigs earlier on (I had tried to be friends with Tokugawa - I gave him gifts of gold, one tech, plus I shared the same religion with him, and he STILL wouldn't give me open borders. Damn xenophobe!)

I'm playing a game that's turning out very interesting: A one city challenge as Masa Musa, on noble, on a large pangea map with raging barbs.

Got a tech lead that just MIGHT prove to be enough for a space race victory, but got in deep trouble there at one point: I had messed up my diplomatics, and had no real friends, and then the most powerful nation in the world (the azteks) attacks me, and Montezuma (who else) joins in. Fortunately my army was strong enough at that point to repel the attacks, and I managed to get peace soon enough to survive. What I did then was forget about that idiot Tokugawa, and switch religions to match my largest, most powerful neigbour Ghengis Khan, gifted him an old tech, some gold, and later agreed to join him in a war against someone who didn't have realistic chances of hurting me. Now we're best buddies, and when Monty now attacked me (for the third time in the game), I managed to get Kublai to join me against him.

So sometimes switching sides diplomatically can be worth it, if your current tactic is running against a stone wall.

I am seeing this now that I am into my fourth or fifth game. I had to back down on the difficutly level but, I am currently mopping up so I will try the next level soon. I am really just now starting to get more into the diplomatic stuff like trading, making allainces, etc.

I just have to watch myself cause it kinda ticks me off when the leaders come across and talk about they superiority complex.......

This game is incredibly deep!

[MrPhil]

Double post........damn network here sucks!

[MrPhil]

Originally posted by Hauptman
anytime i have permanent alliance turned on, Saladin is the FIRST one to ask me to ally with him... careful though he likes to build space ship parts in his crappiest cities. I think Mansa has him on the payroll to slow down your spaceship build.

Do you have to turn permanent alliance on to use them? How does that work?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by MrPhil
Do you have to turn permanent alliance on to use them? How does that work?

It's one of the options under "custom games."

Once two countries are in a PA they are one country for all intents and purposes.

[MrPhil]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


It's one of the options under "custom games."

Once two countries are in a PA they are one country for all intents and purposes.

Interesting so that is an actual setting then.

Is that linked to the Defensive Pact tech?

[MasterDave]

There's something about those camels. In my last game (on Monarch) that I eventually did win, the damn camels would run in and pillage, and would then consistently defeat the riflemen, cannons, and grenadiers that I sent after them. It got so absurd with them winning short odds battles that Saladin started attacking my stacks with them and WINNING half the time, sometimes when my grenadiers were in forests behind rivers. The odds of that battle could not have been better than 10 to 18 or 10 to 20, but somehow the AI managed it a couple of times. My attack force with two stacks of 10+ units each ( 7 cannons in one stack!) was completely wiped out and he even took one of my border towns for a while.

Eventually my larger empire outbuilt him and I won the war, but my well-planned blitzkreig looked more like WWI until I finally turned the tide against Salad Fork and his damned immortal Camel Archers.

[caralampio]

Well I don't know about Saladin, but my pet enemy is that Isabella. Why is she always so pissed? She always goes annoyed with me very early in the game, never shares open borders, and declares war as soon as she gets swordsmen and chariots. No matter what my nationality. No matter if I have her same religion.

I wouldn't want to know how she would be if she had the "aggresive" trait!

[MrPhil]

Originally posted by MasterDave
There's something about those camels. In my last game (on Monarch) that I eventually did win, the damn camels would run in and pillage, and would then consistently defeat the riflemen, cannons, and grenadiers that I sent after them. It got so absurd with them winning short odds battles that Saladin started attacking my stacks with them and WINNING half the time, sometimes when my grenadiers were in forests behind rivers. The odds of that battle could not have been better than 10 to 18 or 10 to 20, but somehow the AI managed it a couple of times. My attack force with two stacks of 10+ units each ( 7 cannons in one stack!) was completely wiped out and he even took one of my border towns for a while.

Eventually my larger empire outbuilt him and I won the war, but my well-planned blitzkreig looked more like WWI until I finally turned the tide against Salad Fork and his damned immortal Camel Archers.

LOL!

I feel your pain man, I really do. That sounds VERY familiar except I didn't have a tech advantage on him.