What Kind of Victory

[Scoobs]

Hi all,

Just wondering if any of you had an opinion on which is the best or most satisfying kind of victory? Or which is better for points etc..?

The reason I ask is that I have a game at a point where I'm about to finish the space ship very soon, or I know I could take out a U.N vote easily

[MikeH]

Have a look here, I don't think the type of victory matters for score?

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147162

I don't find the UN victory very satisfying personally.

[MightyTiny]

Whether or not the UN victory is satisfying depends on how you get it, I've found. Basically, if you do it by being friends with most powerful opponents throughout an uneventful game, then I'd agree that it's probably not the most satisfying victory.

However, if you do it by manipulating world politics, by manouvering your friends to those higher positions on the scoring table, fighting wars for them if necessary, then it can be satifying in the end.

And of couse, there's the classic "pound everyone to pulp, then, with everyone hating you, before getting that domination victory, vote yourself to diplomatic victory". That can be satisfying.

But what annoys me somewhat is that the scoring in general doesn't seem to take into account any factors such as difficulty level OR game options that make the game significantly easier or more difficult.

For example, I think you should get some sort of bonus from playing with raging barbarians. And you certainly should get a score bonus if you are playing a one-city-challenge!

I mean after strugling to hold stronger opponents at bay with your single city, fighting polution and lack of strategic resources, not to mention slower research rate, and still just managing to squeze out that space race victory, you find that you've shown the leadership qualities of Dan Quale.

Then you win a quick and easy conquest victory on a small map, and you're Augustus Caesar.

OCC should have a score modifier of + several hundred percent, because you are putting yourself at a severe disadvantage from the get-go.

[LordShiva]

Conquest

[johnmcd]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Conquest

So dull

You know you've done it hours before you kill the final civ, and all that time your shuffling great piles of units around the map. If I could have an military governer that looked after my military goals for me like they'll look after cities for me it would be better.

"Take that city next!" I'd say, and off he'd roll. Much like the
"Build it fast!" or "Grow now!" orders you can give out to your cities.

[Adagio]

Conquest is the only interesting victory
Diplomacy is too easy, going for a culture victory make wars harder to fight (the more military you build, the later you'll get this victory), space race is just annoying, and domination is just Conquest where the game ends too early

[MightyTiny]

Domination is a victory that saves you from the tedium of pounding down those last few little civs with little resistance to throw at your overwhealming military force.

I too find that while conquest wars start out fun, if they go on long enough, and you reach a point where your military trumps theirs 10-0, they do get a bit tedious.

The only reason to go for conquest rather than domination, I think, is the victory animation - conquest victory ending has BY FAR the best animation.

Conquest might be an interesting option on smaller maps though, but I usually play large maps.

I find that all the victories can be rewarding and very interesting, but it does depend on the specifics of the game, and what sort of a path leads you to that victory. One of my most satisfying victories was a diplo victory, but it came after a loong, VERY eventful game, where world diplomacy was a really contorted affair, and where there were at least two major "world-wars", where I lended significant military aid to allies, one of whom was located on the other side of the continent, with me having access to their territory either through a land route that took me across one friendly nation, and one nation I didn't have open borders with, OR a sea route. Keeping my allies alive, and negotiating difficult situations kept the game REALLY interesting, and in the end, my allies voted me into diplo victory.

[edit: Just noticed that there's a real monster of a sentence in that paragraph! You might ask why I bothered to edit this note, but not change the sentece. That would be a good question. I don't know. I'm going to stop blabbering now.]

Space race is really boring, except of course in one city challenges, where attaining it is significantly more difficult.

[Adagio]

I just wish there was a scoring difference in the different victories, instead of just one score based on when you win (and not how you win). A conquest victory will always give a higher score than the other victories, because you can't get the other victories faster than a conquest (except for the domination victory of course), you can't win the space race or diplomacy victory before the modern age, while you can win a conquest victory when you're still fighting with swordmen (or even earlier)

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by johnmcd

Originally posted by LordShiva
Conquest

So dull

Conquest