Can't change civics without going to all the original crap civics

[snoochems]

Hey guys. I'm up to a stage in the game where I've discovered all the tech and want to start just pumping out all the units I can for a domination victory.

Anyways, I want change civics, but when I do, I find that no matter what I do, the civics end up on the five originals civic, which, as we all know, are crap.

Is this a bug? If not, what the freak where they thinking? It's lame.

If it is a bug, then how do I fix it. I've got the 1.52 patch.

Help!

[Nacht]

That's only during the anarchy period.

[snoochems]

Then... why is it that i've never noticed that before? ANd why is it a 7 turn period of anarchy when it used to be just 2 or so turns?

[Nacht]

Because your empire has grown, larger means longer anarchy I think, also changing more than one civics prolongs it.

[Bill3000]

I have never noticed anything above 1 turn anarchy before.

[Blake]

On Marathon speed never switch more than 1 civic at once. 1 civic = 1 turn anarchy. 2 civics = 3 turns anarchy.

Something that irks me is Organized religion and Missionaries, switch from Organized Religion to Organized religion (in other word, switch a category other than religion) and it'll still whine at you that the missionaries can't be built during the anarchy period and force you to change production, so you then have to go back and restore the missionaries after anarchy. stupid.

[Jaybe]

Originally posted by Bill3000
I have never noticed anything above 1 turn anarchy before.

I've had 2 turns of anarchy, particularly if I were to change 3 civics. One game when I already had 20-30+ cities, only to change 2 civics (huge map, epic).

[CBR1100]

If you've completed all the research then presumably the UN has been built. In which case the civicsyou can use may be limited

[Axxaer]

Originally posted by Jaybe

Originally posted by Bill3000
I have never noticed anything above 1 turn anarchy before.

I've had 2 turns of anarchy, particularly if I were to change 3 civics. One game when I already had 20-30+ cities, only to change 2 civics (huge map, epic).

You guys must be playing a mighty low difficulty to only betting 1 or 2 turns of anarchy. Yes it is affected by how large your empire is (I believe) but also greatly affected by difficulty level (seems to be).

[sovietwaffle]

Game speed too. I've still only gotten a max of two on Prince though (I know it's not exactly super high, but it's better than say Warlord )

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Blake
On Marathon speed never switch more than 1 civic at once. 1 civic = 1 turn anarchy. 2 civics = 3 turns anarchy.

Well it's arguable, as if you need to switch 2 civics fast, if you do it 1 by 1, then you will have to wait for 4-5 turns between changing the first and the second one.

So it's a cost-and-benefit calculation of whether 1 less turn of anarchy is worth waiting 5 turns to implement the second civic.

[Jaybe]

You guys must be playing a mighty low difficulty to only betting 1 or 2 turns of anarchy.

Yes, I play Noble.

[Blake]

Originally posted by Martinus

Well it's arguable, as if you need to switch 2 civics fast, if you do it 1 by 1, then you will have to wait for 4-5 turns between changing the first and the second one.

So it's a cost-and-benefit calculation of whether 1 less turn of anarchy is worth waiting 5 turns to implement the second civic.

This would be a point, except on Marathon 5 turns is a very short time period. You can't really do anything in 5 turns. It would take a truly exceptional situation to justify switching civics 2 by 2 on marathon. Offhand I can't really think of one, Nationhood is the only urgent switch; by then you'll have barracks nearly everywhere. Drafted units have 2 exp w/ barracks. Switching to vassalage/theo makes that 3exp, both makes it 4 exp. Still not enough to change the promo situation. Any hammer concern (like for quickly pumping a wonder in the capital) will probably be slowed more by the additional anarchy than the 3-4 extra turns of organized rel (or whatever). I really can't think of any situation that justifies the extra anarchy.