No longer happy with ivory or fur

[couerdelion]

This has the feel of a politically correct spin on the later game. While I can presently keep my people happy by maintaining a good supply or ivory (which is also our staple trading good) and fur, there will come a time when they will consider these goods as worthless and start demanding something else. Now I would think that cotton might work or even cashmere, but the game seems to think that they will have less interest in adorning themselves in luxuries and more interest in staying out late watching musicals, films and listening to rock ‘n’ roll.

Now I may be wrong here but I think this means that, in total, I have one more unhappy person after developing these techs. If I add to this the loss of all the military entertainment provided by my monarchy then I am left wondering how I am going to keep people happy. Is all of the late game happiness linked to culture spending?

[johnmcd]

I never thought of it as military entertainment, more militiary pistol whipping if you get out of line...

Also, later on you have markets to boost happiness from other trade goods. I do feel luxury obsolescence should be linked to civics, not techs. Monarchs should never tire of fur!

[couerdelion]

Er.... I know about markets

Originally posted by johnmcd
I never thought of it as military entertainment, more militiary pistol whipping if you get out of line...

Also, later on you have markets to boost happiness from other trade goods. I do feel luxury obsolescence should be linked to civics, not techs. Monarchs should never tire of fur!

Markets are really an early game building and they usually precede most standard resources.

Unless you are talking about other types of markets that I haven't seen

What I’m thinking about is that, if you are already on max happiness prior to the loss of ivory and fur, how do you replace the four happy faces after they are gone?

[Yuufo]

I like Environmentalism, can give some +5 happies...
Of course you need to save up some forests and not to go chop frenzy!

Other idea: get 3-4 religions under Free religion. With its associated temple, every religion will give you +2 hap.

[couerdelion]

I can see the plan now. As an advanced Pacifist civilisation who is currently spreading the word on Judaism around the globe, I should fight for all religions worldwide. First to Mecca, home of Buddhism (), then across the short ocean to Mali and the birth of Christianity (or maybe Taoism/Confusion). Having grabbed a religious city, I then send missionaries back to the home land to entertain my unhappy people. Perhaps might even grab one (or maybe even two) religions from America where their Muslim and Judaist (sp?) brother live in peaceful harmony after my missionaries went in.

What fun

[Hauptman]

but the game seems to think that they will have less interest in adorning themselves in luxuries and more interest in staying out late watching musicals, films and listening to rock ‘n’ roll.

Exactly as our real world works!!!

Anyways by the time ivory fur and whale becomes absolete, you have markets and calander to supplament as well as representation to fill out your own needs.

Then what you really SHOULD be doing... is trading with the other civs for what you dont have. Mmmm Russian caviar. Fine Chinese silks. Columbian nose candy, you get the picture.

[Arrian]

As the game goes on, there are more opportunities to deal with unhappiness, such that losing a few happy resources to obselecence makes sense to me.

Trade with others, certainly. Multiple religions under free religion is also powerful. Whenever a religion is spread to my lands that I didn't found, I make sure I build a monastery in at least 1 city, so I can spread it later on (and I will typically work to spread it early to my capital so I can build a monastery there too for the 10% research boost). This also comes in handy if I later conquer the holy city of the religion.

-Arrian

[ieolus]

Originally posted by couerdelion
... religions from America where their Muslim and Judaist (sp?) brother live ...

Judaist = Hebrew/Jewish maybe?

[Tau Ceti]

A Broadcast Tower doubles the happiness effect of Hit Musicals, Singles and Movies.

[couerdelion]

That's what I missed

Originally posted by Tau Ceti
A Broadcast Tower doubles the happiness effect of Hit Musicals, Singles and Movies.

So you lose four happy resources but gain six

I’m not sure that I understand some of the other responses referring to “other ways” of improving happiness. These are in place well before discovering plastics so I already have the +1 bonuses from markets, theatres, forge.

I’ve also noticed the culture slider has a big impact on happiness after I switched civics to Representation/Free Market/Free Speech during my war with Saladin. The net science gain was more than enough to allow a little money spent on happiness and Mecca was a veritable bargain containing the Hindu Shrine and Academy and two or three World Wonders. Well work pushing forward the attack since the Indians were hovering around the capital in large numbers. And those Wonders will explain why India’s Bangalore was taking a cultural battering despite being no slouch itself

Once I have some gold, I can afford to divert my military plans towards Mali and its two religions before it gets too many Riflemen in place or builds up a navy. Long term the Americans also have two religions (six of the seven religions ended up on our two islands.

[couerdelion]

Some other points

I think Monarchy combats unhappiness better than Representation. The latter is limited to +3 and five cities.

Just wondered whether the tile values change when ivory goes?

[nbarclay]

The obsolescence of ivory, fur, and whales late in the game is not just political correctness. In the modern era, there are synthetic products that can serve the same purposes every bit as well, and often even better from a practical perspective (although fur and ivory maintain a degree of snob value in some circles). Once the technologies for the appropriate synthetic substitutes are discovered, the items that were once important luxuries lose the vast majority of their importance, to a point where they no longer have a significant impact on the civilization's happiness.

Nathan

[Urban Ranger]

I like to see jade and ceramics (fine porcelain) to be included as happiness resources as well. In the latter case you probably need to create a building in a city to fire the clay.

[couerdelion]

Originally posted by nbarclay
The obsolescence of ivory, fur, and whales late in the game is not just political correctness. In the modern era, there are synthetic products that can serve the same purposes every bit as well, and often even better from a practical perspective (although fur and ivory maintain a degree of snob value in some circles). Once the technologies for the appropriate synthetic substitutes are discovered, the items that were once important luxuries lose the vast majority of their importance, to a point where they no longer have a significant impact on the civilization's happiness.

Nathan

This is a reason for people to be more happy not less.

[johnmcd]

Originally posted by couerdelion


This is a reason for people to be more happy not less.

**Bling Bling**