Incan Language

[DrSpike]

Yes.

[Yyrkroon]

Especially as he wasn't anywhere near out of line.

There was no attack, just a correction.

[Unimatrix11]

btw it also is 'Hauptmann' not 'Hauptman', at least if you refer to the military rank (i think it is colonel in english, but i might be wrong on this).

since i am in the writing mood: There is no excuse to what my grandfather's generation did. But both of my grandfathers have passed away many years ago now. Nonetheless it still makes me cry (i am not joking here) when i see movies or documentaries about the holocaust. As guilty and ashamed as still feel (about things i didnt do), i find it hard to believe that i had been the hero to prevent all this from happening if i was born in 1906 or 1916 instead of 1976. Maybe thats why i feel as guilty as my grandfathers should have felt, and maybe thats why i feel hurt when someone calls me (or anyone of the present time german generation) a nazi just for being german. We inheritated a guilt that many of us are aware of, but we dont like to be reminded of it constantly. And in this context i might add that other country's present day generations must look out as well to not put such a shame and guilt on their future generations.

[Dry]

Originally posted by Unimatrix11
btw it also is 'Hauptmann' not 'Hauptman', at least if you refer to the military rank (i think it is colonel in english, but i might be wrong on this).

He said Hauptmann, I say what?

I don't know what it is in reality.
If I make an ethimologic analysis, doesn't 'Haupt' mean 'main', or 'head'?
Iirc, in latin 'head' or 'main' is 'caput', like in 'capital' or... 'captain'?

So, purely on ethimology, I'd say 'Hauptmann' is 'Captain'.

[Janbalk]

Originally posted by Dry
....So, purely on ethimology, I'd say 'Hauptmann' is 'Captain'.

Wich it is, even based on knowledge of military ranks in Germany and UK\US

[Fried-Psitalon]

Since we're correcting people pointlessly...

"Which."

::runs off cackling::

[Yyrkroon]

Originally posted by Unimatrix11

since i am in the writing mood: There is no excuse to what my grandfather's generation did. But both of my grandfathers have passed away many years ago now. Nonetheless it still makes me cry (i am not joking here) when i see movies or documentaries about the holocaust. As guilty and ashamed as still feel (about things i didnt do), i find it hard to believe that i had been the hero to prevent all this from happening if i was born in 1906 or 1916 instead of 1976. Maybe thats why i feel as guilty as my grandfathers should have felt, and maybe thats why i feel hurt when someone calls me (or anyone of the present time german generation) a nazi just for being german. We inheritated a guilt that many of us are aware of, but we dont like to be reminded of it constantly. And in this context i might add that other country's present day generations must look out as well to not put such a shame and guilt on their future generations.

I think you are needlessly hard on yourself and your forefathers. Cultural ideas and perceptions change over time and are in continual evolution. This is usually a very slow, gradual process but occasionally happens in a flash - spurred by some great event.

We simply cannot judge the past on our morality today.

Today nearly everyone (and all governments) in the West believes human slavery is wrong. ~200 years ago you would find a real split in opinion and policy on slavery. ~500 years ago slavery was widely accepted in the West.

There is evolution of moral thought and understanding there - just as we have in science.

Do we deride Aristotle for believing the sun moved around the earth? Was Leonardo da Vinci an embarrassment because he thought there were oceans on the moon?

Learn from the past, and grow from reflection on it, but don't feel guilt or blame for it.

[rjmatsleepers]

Originally posted by Yyrkroon

We simply cannot judge the past on our morality today.

Very true, but some things that have been mentioned in this thread were not acceptable even at the time.

Originally posted by Yyrkroon Learn from the past, and grow from reflection on it, but don't feel guilt or blame for it.

Certainly life goes on, but as you reflect on the past, it is sometimes appropriate to feel a little guilt. I at least feel some of the guilt that my grandfather's generation deserve for the events in Amritsar.

RJM at Sleeper's

[Unimatrix11]

Thanks for the brilliant analysis leading to the conclusion that a Hauptmann in deed is a Captain (as a military rank in ground forces)...

Well about the other stuff that i started to bring up: i guess that what one's nations grandfathers did and believed in effects the mentatlity in one way or the other of the generations that follow them...