State-Owned Property Unrealistic

[RedSox7]

Let me get this straight.
Research Communism, switch to state-owned property civic, get +1 food!?
North Koreans wish they were playing this game.

For all that, I like the civic. Who needs that silly environmentalism stuff, anyway?

[Nikolai]

If State properly was realisticly made, noone would want to use it. The idea is that eavery civic should be usefull in some situations.

[MikeH]

If it was realistic I'd be dead before the game reached turn 2.

[alco75]

There is such thing as a free lunch; Comrades working Workshops & Watermills get one.
(Capitalist pigdogs have to bring their own sandwiches.)

[Tattila the Hun]

It's not actually +1 food, the Communist idealism sustains the working people, so they need less food. So more food for growth.

[johnmcd]

I think it's fair to say that not many communists would hold up North Korea as a beacon of Marxist triumph, just as capitalists might be slow to point the success of the unfettered business conditions of Somalia.

[Tattila the Hun]

Besides, communism has never been tried in a wide scale.

What do they call that thing in NK, Juche?

Why do we still have christmas-avatars?

[marvinkosh]

The other advantage of the State Property civic is that distance from capital is no longer a factor in calculating maintenance. If your empire is spread out a bit, say because you're playing archipelago, or because you wanted to nail a city on top of each strategic resource no matter how far away it is, then this could well be a serious money-saver. By the time you have developed Communism, there are other means of improving the amount of trade income that your cities pull in (that is, number of trade routes) and more still to be developed.

[Yyrkroon]

Originally posted by Tattila the Hun
Besides, communism has never been tried in a wide scale.

Everyone who lives East of the Elbe might beg to differ.

[Hauptman]

Originally posted by Yyrkroon


Everyone who lives East of the Elbe might beg to differ.

that was fascist socialistic buerocracy....

[Saurus]

Originally posted by Yyrkroon


Everyone who lives East of the Elbe might beg to differ.

Communism, as an ideal, has nothing to do with those dictatorships who claim themselfs beeing Communists.
There have not been a goverment out there so far that can truly be called a true Communistic one.
The Sovjet Union had something witch was pretty close , however, the benefits the citizens were enjoying under the Communistic rule
(like free medical care, free public transportation etc) are seldomly mentioned.
No wonder that many elderly people in former Sovjet Union, beeing ripped of theese benefits lately, complain stating they were much better of under so called Comunistic rule.

[[to_xp]Gekko]

State Property is not Communism. State property is state property. I'm pretty sure the egyptians ( ancient era) would be considered as living in a state property civ. now would you call them communists?

[muflonex]

State Property is not the same thing as (marxist) communism.

Marx's communism is a pure negativity (serving actually noone) and it actually was implemented in- '20's-'50 s. From the philosophical point of view it had been commented by Hannah Arendt (although she wrote more generally about the totalitarian state). Philosophically USRR and it's satelites were communist states. Nothing else could have been derived from Marx's thought.

State Property is something different from Marx's idea, 'cause he imagined his society without the state. USSR was nothing else than one great capitalist in form of the state. In Marx's terms USSR would still have been the capitalistic state.
State Property and planned, centralised economy had been tried in a wide scale in Cambodja (imagine the state planning distribution of rice without taking care about ANY signals from the market, taking all the numbers out of their sheer imagination), also in African states.

[Dis]

damn pharoah commies.

and I disagree with that statement. If that was the case, then why is state property not available much sooner?

[johnmcd]

Originally posted by Dis
damn pharoah commies.

and I disagree with that statement. If that was the case, then why is state property not available much sooner?

Your critique of history is based on it mirroring Civ accurately?