permanent alliance....

[cloudwasher]

after researching fascism and having a defensive pact with a neighboring nation, I am still unable to request a permanent alliance through the trade proposal screen.... it infact never shows up as a possibility, not even in red. I was wondering what the requirements that I must fulfill in order to offer a permanent alliance are/what I need to do.

Thanks in advance.

[Datajack Franit]

custom game/enable permanent alliances

[cloudwasher]

thanks a million!

[sum123]

I was damn annoyed today because of this, too. And the manual doesn't mention anything about it! Why on earth don't the game tips state clearly that permanent alliances are only possible in custom games?!

[Urban Ranger]

Why you don't play custom games?

[Enigma_Nova]

Because isn't this a question!

[sum123]

I did try a custom game before, and it was quite cool, especially because of the control we have over the aspects of the game, and the "Balanced" map, which does sound quite nice.

However, I never said I didn't like custom games. I was just annoyed to find out that Permanent Alliances are only available in custom games, and neither the manual nor the game tips say anything about this. Yesterday, I wasted 9 hours of my weekend time in a civ4 game that ended up with me losing for a backstabbing leader who voted for herself & for the other when she was friendly to me and only pleased with him, and we also had a Defensive Pact agreement! Moreover, my score changed from the top to being the second, and I was just 20 points below the first civ. All this because I wasted a lot of my resources in discovering BOTH: Communism & Fascism, even though I wasn't interested in either. But I discovered Communism just so I can make a Permanent Alliance, when it didn't work, I thought maybe I have to also discover Fascism, so I did. When that didn't work, I built the UN. And in the very end, the very leader with whom I wanted to make a permanent alliance beat me by a diplomatic victory, even though she was the bottom score & I was the top until the last 10 years or so. I was gutted after all the time invested.

[TheHateMale]

How many civs can be in a permanent alliance? (In-game one - not set up through custom game options)

[Stuie]

Originally posted by TheHateMale
How many civs can be in a permanent alliance? (In-game one - not set up through custom game options)

Most I've managed is three (including my Civ). Not sure if it is restricted by the code, but the diplomacy involved makes having more than a three-way alliance pretty difficult.

[TheArsenal]

I almost always play with Permanent Alliances on, but as a rule only can get one AI Civ to ally with me. The AI Civs, however, will frequently group together in threes. I’ve never seen larger groupings.

Custom games: They’re are great, but my only tiny quibble is in the Victory Conditions screen (or whatever it is called). While it will give you certain information as to your setting (Raging Barbarians, Permanent Alliances, Rivals Met, Rivals Remaining, etc.) it does not inform you (or perhaps I am unable to find) which Victory Conditions are turned on and off.

[Strategist83]

Originally posted by sum123
I was damn annoyed today because of this, too. And the manual doesn't mention anything about it! Why on earth don't the game tips state clearly that permanent alliances are only possible in custom games?!

And, more importantly, WHY are they only enabled in custom games?

[Aro]

Originally posted by Strategist83

And, more importantly, WHY are they only enabled in custom games?

Agreed. It should be a simple option in the setup panel. Pick up "permanent alliances" along with "continents", "no trade techs" and "ragging barbarians", whatever.

[Hauptman]

Why does custom games bother you? it lets you choose number of civs even what those civs are, what type of continent/map or you can leave it all at default. It's not like its cheating.


Oh and to answer that last question... you may only ally with ONE other civ, i checked, you no longer have the option available with other civs afterwards.


Ive never seen a 3way ai alliance.

Now defensive pacts... my current game i have 7 defensive pacts active. out of 14 civs... =) its an OCC so i need the protection.

[ChrisiusMaximus]

Ive been in a 3 way permanent alliance myself and had the option to ask a fourth civ who declined , only to join a two way with another civ the next turn.

This other aliance supported ours in the UN votes consistently so in effect we had a five civ alliance, it was not that long before we gained a diplomatic victory.

The permanent alliances are a cool feature and they should be an option on the main set up.


edit: forgot to add it was a game with 16 civs on a huge map, all civs still survived though some had been ravaged by wars. myself i never got involved in war the whole game.