UN vote - most stupid and annoyng thing

[Handel]

Yes, absolutely stupid and most important - extremely annoyng! Every few turns a pop-up appears to vote, then pop-up appars to tell the results etc etc. And besides the resolutions are really stupid and senceless. There could be much better resolutions chosed and they must last for much longer time.

[Senethro]

How about a little creative thinking and give us examples? Realistic ones please.

[Handel]

Originally posted by Senethro
How about a little creative thinking and give us examples? Realistic ones please.

At first and most important - the resolutions must last for a much longer time, including the resolution about forbidden nuclear rockets.
Second - if you are going to force civics, then you must have a reason to do it - so you must have the right to choice which civics to force, not just the last civics from the list.
And third and quite obvious - force peace between you and enemy or any any 2 enemies; and force trade boycots. But no force wars.
Of course, you can use those resolution for your advantage - and yes, this is the purspose of the game - to use different sources to beat to pulp your adversaries.

[Boris Godunov]

The resolution banning nukes is permanent, it doesn't expire. It can be repealed, though, if the Secretary General brings it up for a new vote.

[Handel]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
The resolution banning nukes is permanent, it doesn't expire. It can be repealed, though, if the Secretary General brings it up for a new vote.

In my game it appeared for voting every 2-3 turns over and over again (I was the secretary-general). It don't seems to me to be permanent.

Ah, yes - another resolution must be included too - for bribing the secretary general. Say, a civ badly needs a peace treaty - no probs, just give 500 golds to the secretary-general. Trade resource - 500 golds. Stop trading - 500 golds.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Handel
In my game it appeared for voting every 2-3 turns over and over again (I was the secretary-general). It don't seems to me to be permanent.

All the resolutions appear every time there is a vote. Those that have previously been passed will say "RESOLUTION PASSED" in their box. You don't have to revote on them, they are enacted until repealed. The only reason to revote on them is if you want to try and repeal them.

If you have all the resolutions enacted that you want and don't wish to vote, there is an option to do that as well.

[Handel]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov



If you have all the resolutions enacted that you want and don't wish to vote, there is an option to do that as well.

Why I should want those stupid resolutions to be enacted? Most of them will hurt me. So no stoping of voting?

[Boris Godunov]

You don't HAVE to vote on any, that's what I was saying. The last option on the vote window is to not vote on any resolutions at all.

[Cordelayne]

After reading the description in the manual, I turned this feature off from the very beginning and have never used it. This thread tends to confirm my thinking on that.

[Senethro]

Originally posted by Cordelayne
After reading the description in the manual, I turned this feature off from the very beginning and have never used it. This thread tends to confirm my thinking on that.

You shouldn't be. Handel's problems are caused by ignorance, not a bad game feature.

[Boris Godunov]

Well, besides Handel's ignorance, the UN is indeed badly done. Having done the Diplomatic victory once, I now turn it off all the time.

[Xaintrix]

The UN can be quite a powerful tool for those who know how to use it. First off our UN wouldn't promote stuff like Slavery, so of course it's not going to be just any civic on the map. It's those that to the general public seem like it's for the greater good. *snicker*

And just because you don't use a given civic doesn't mean that someone else doesn't. It also helps to disrupt people trying to min/max using specific civic combinations. A peaceful solution to solving collective problems. Of course your response need not be peaceful...

In fact I have curbed some warmongers in this fashion as they arranged their civ to work off some nasty military oriented civics and sure enough they were quite peeved when they ended up spending quite a bit more than they wanted. It shortened the offensive quite a bit and peace prevailed...

That is until I threw a nuke over. What? It helps being in charge so you can NOT vote on things too! : )

[Boris Godunov]

Oh, the UN definitely has its uses (such as disabling nukes, if you don't want them in the game). But I think those are outweighed by the downside, which is the frustration at being unrealistically forced into following its mandates without even the option of refusing. If I want to be a rogue nation, I should be allowed to be as such.

[Kc7mxo]

The UN can be quite a powerful tool for those who know how to use it. First off our UN wouldn't promote stuff like Slavery, so of course it's not going to be just any civic on the map. It's those that to the general public seem like it's for the greater good. *snicker*

The UN is run by its member nations. Currently it was designed to be heavily influenced by a small selection of nations who jump s tarted it. But if the vast majority of nations in the world wanted slavery and none of the security council vetoed it. . . then the UN would support slavery.

And considering some of the nations they routinly put on things like the human rights board (Libya, Iran, N. Korea, China. . . ) I wouldn't be at all suprised by it.


So I think all Civics should be options as far as the UN goes.

[CrONoS]

@Boris

Like you said, U.N. is a good thing.

Maybe if someone want to mod it(I'll do it when I will have some free, if nobody do this). My goal is to have vote on civics and other, and if someone do not comply to U.N. vote, he will receive penalty in commerce(trade) and diplomatic(lose some diplomatic points).

I think this is a better realistic way to do it.

see ya

Edit: Typo