Mutual wars cancels Defensive pact?

[ahsingjai]

Everytime I declare war on someone that my AI allies are fighting, my defensive pact gets cancel... Shouldn't this be strengthen?

[TheHateMale]

That would be an offensive pact (alliance against a specific civ) though. A defensive pact is activated when someone else attacks you unprovoked. It may need to be withing your borders as well, I'm not sure.

[ghen]

I've had an enemy attack me the turn after a defensive pact was made.. I guess he didn't like the alliance. Anyway, when he attacked me my ally went to war as normal but the defensive pact was dropped.

I've only done this once, but it does seem to nullify on wars.

[Last Conformist]

Defensive pacts are voided the instant either of the parties declare war on anyone.

[LDiCesare]

There's a reason for that behavior: You declare war. The opponent retaliates and invades your territory. You shouldn't be able to ask help from the defensive pact since you triggered the war. In order to fix that, the ai should consider war declarations when considering its reactions, I think it would rewuire some code rewrite, but don't think it's so hard to do. So if Firaxis did it thus, I believe they wanted it that way.
I think it does make sense: You declare war on A. B is allied with A and declares war back on you. You can't invoke a defensive pact because you caused the war in the first place (a bit like Italy in 1914, who ended up fighting Germany and Austria).

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by ghen
I've had an enemy attack me the turn after a defensive pact was made.. I guess he didn't like the alliance. Anyway, when he attacked me my ally went to war as normal but the defensive pact was dropped.

I've only done this once, but it does seem to nullify on wars.

Similar to my experience in one game.
I was a peaceful builder and had a Defensive pact with the americans.
Then at one turn the romans declared war on me (without being provoked).
At the same turn as the romans declared war on me the americans declared war on the romans and canceled the defensive pact.

Looks like no matter wether you are the aggressor or the person being attacked, the defensive pact gets cancelled as soon as there is a war where your ally has to assist you.

[pauli]

defensive pacts are a single use item.

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST


Similar to my experience in one game.
I was a peaceful builder and had a Defensive pact with the americans.
Then at one turn the romans declared war on me (without being provoked).
At the same turn as the romans declared war on me the americans declared war on the romans and canceled the defensive pact.

Looks like no matter wether you are the aggressor or the person being attacked, the defensive pact gets cancelled as soon as there is a war where your ally has to assist you.

This is exactly how the pact works.

Sometimes, it would help if people read the manual or even the civilopedia entry before starting a thread on the forum.

[Fosse]

I know it's obvious, but it might bear pointing out:

The war declarations are also canceling ALL of your defensive pacts, as well as all of them that the AI players involved have. So if American had DPs with three other civs, those are toast too.

[Risa]

Originally posted by Fosse
I know it's obvious, but it might bear pointing out:

The war declarations are also canceling ALL of your defensive pacts, as well as all of them that the AI players involved have. So if American had DPs with three other civs, those are toast too.

Of course. Even if A likes B and B likes C, it isn't guaranteed that C will help A in war time.

[Diadem]

Say A and B have a DP, and B has an additional DP with C. Now D declares on A. The DP triggers and B declares on D in response.

What happens then is that the DP between B and C is also cancelled?

That's slightly weird.

[Shaka II]

Originally posted by Diadem
Say A and B have a DP, and B has an additional DP with C. Now D declares on A. The DP triggers and B declares on D in response.

What happens then is that the DP between B and C is also cancelled?

That's slightly weird.

I think you're correct. At least that's the way I would interpret it. Otherwise there might be a lot of world wars.