amphibious assaults with catapults

[linkhan]

Two enemy catapults loaded in a galley don't unload on land first and attack my swordsman on the coastline.
They both die (hahah), but I still think that catapults should not be able to do that. What's the definition of amphibious assault then? Is it strictly attacking a city from a boat? If that's so (and cats can attack units outside the cities), then I guess technically, I'm wrong.

I'm pretty sure this is against the rules.
Then again I haven't tried loading galleys with units and assaulting enemy units right off the boat.

PS. Notice how I don't bother using the word "cheat" anymore. I think there are enough hardcore civ'ers here that no matter how much the AI cheats or unrealistic it gets, their reply will be:
"it's not a cheat! It's a feature! It's a challenge! It's like a golf handicap! They're production bonuses! They get upgrade bonuses!"

Oh please.
Hmph.

[Shogun Gunner]

I hadn't seen that...nor thought to try it.

Yeah, I would have to agree that any projectile unit shouldn't be able to amphib assualt. Civ3 had this more correct, I believe.

[MasterDave]

Actually, if you think about it, catapults firing from the decks of the galleys they are riding on and then rolling onto the beach over the pulverized, pulpy corpses of their victims does make sense from a realism perspective. Most anceint ships were armed with catapults, ballistae, and archers before gunpowder replaced them.

[vmxa1]

Actually all units can attack from ships now as I understand it. The very first day I had a HOrse Archer and some other unit attack me like that.

So no more free rides, no pretend blockades with units around the coast. The thing is that most will pay a 50% penalty for it, unless they have the proper traits or promotions.

[linkhan]

I don't mind the feature that much, actually.

And like MasterDave says, yes, in fact launching projectiles from the galley decks may even be realistic.

Have you seen this before?
Even more important, have you tried it before?

If both AI and human player can do that, then I'm sort of cool with it.

But then we should rethink the idea and rules of amphibious assaults altogether. If cats can do this, and maybe archers, then it would seem that marines aren't that special anymore. With that assumption in mind, you could have any range units fire enemy victims on the coastline, and swim up the shore to stomp on their bloody dead bodies .

[linkhan]

vmxa1,

So you've confirmed that I'm not just crazy and imagning things

Can human players do that as well?

[Shogun Gunner]

Ridiculous. Unsupportec catapults firing from ships, then unloading onto the beach. With all the break down, setup time... those things don't load too quickly.

Realistic? If you say so...

[MasterDave]

It's more realistic than pikeman killing gunships

[Shogun Gunner]

you got me there

[marvinkosh]

Marines are still good because they get their Amphibious promotion for free. Not to mention, they get a 50% bonus against Artillery/Machine Gun units.

[Aileron]

Originally posted by marvinkosh
Marines are still good because they get their Amphibious promotion for free. Not to mention, they get a 50% bonus against Artillery/Machine Gun units.

So what does that amphibious promotion do again? Give you the ability to attack from a boat, or remove the penalty associated with attacking from a boat (i.e. everything is allowed to attack from a boat)?

[Shogun Gunner]

removes the penalty associated with attacking from a boat. Apparently, every unit can attack from boat.

[Kuciwalker]

Re: amphibious assaults with catapults

Originally posted by linkhan
Two enemy catapults loaded in a galley don't unload on land first and attack my swordsman on the coastline.
They both die (hahah), but I still think that catapults should not be able to do that. What's the definition of amphibious assault then? Is it strictly attacking a city from a boat? If that's so (and cats can attack units outside the cities), then I guess technically, I'm wrong.

I'm pretty sure this is against the rules.
Then again I haven't tried loading galleys with units and assaulting enemy units right off the boat.

PS. Notice how I don't bother using the word "cheat" anymore. I think there are enough hardcore civ'ers here that no matter how much the AI cheats or unrealistic it gets, their reply will be:
"it's not a cheat! It's a feature! It's a challenge! It's like a golf handicap! They're production bonuses! They get upgrade bonuses!"

Oh please.
Hmph.

Of course it's not a cheat if everyone can do it.

[Bill3000]

The Amphibious Assault promotion removes penalities from attacking from sea, as well as the penalties from attacking across a river.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by MasterDave
Actually, if you think about it, catapults firing from the decks of the galleys they are riding on and then rolling onto the beach over the pulverized, pulpy corpses of their victims does make sense from a realism perspective. Most anceint ships were armed with catapults, ballistae, and archers before gunpowder replaced them.

Which is why galleys can attack other ships, the catapults, ballistae, and archers are accounted for in the galley's strength.

ACK!