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A bit of background about my latest game before I launch into the questions of this topic...
I was playing an epic game on a standard continents map, noble difficulty as Qin Shi Huang. Being alone on my continent, I was able to stay out of trouble for most of the game, except when Caesar in the early industrial era landed his paltry expedition of one cavalry unit to attack me.
Because Louis XIV was one of the first players to come into contact with me, I was able to cultivate quite favourable relations with him, and when I got to running Free Religion, the religious barriers for good relations came crashing down. Much later on, we even joined forces in wiping Caesar out.
Louis had friends on his home continent in Huayna Capac and to my absolute surprise Tokugawa, both of whom I was in turn able to cultivate favourable relations with.
Also on the other continent were this game's so-called axis of evil: Saladin, who had a fairly powerful empire in the northeast of the other continent, Caesar, whose situation was hopeless as his empire was hemmed into a medium-sized peninsular between Arabia and France on the eastern end of the continent, and Cyrus, whose situation was equally hopeless as he was eons behind in technology. He was also sandwiched between France and Arabia in the north west.
So in short, the world was divided into two alliances. One with me, Louis, Capac and Tokugawa. The other with Caesar, Saladin and Cyrus. I build the United Nations and hold the Secretary General elections, and I run for secretary general against Saladin. Naturally, I win the election, having more allies than Saladin, and those allies individually had more votes than Caesar and Cyrus.
But the next elections, I'm running against Louis. Naturally, in an election between myself and Louis, Saladin, Caesar and Cyrus abstained, not liking either choice. But Tokugawa and Capac voted for Louis three times before I took away the game in a space race victory. In the latter two elections of the game, Caesar wasn't around to vote, but he would have abstained anyway.
So I ask this, so I can consider this in future games that go long enough that the United Nations plays a role. Just how do you convince the AI to vote for you in the UN elections? Especially when the choice is between you and another ally.
All the tricks I used in Civ III (such as gifting techs and resources) to get on 'gracious' terms and earn the votes to win Diplomatic victories are proving ineffective. Its clear to me that there may be no quick fix. I've behaved honourably, remained loyal to my allies, at the very least, cold and unreceptive toward my ally's enemies and I still can't get anyone to vote for me when another ally is running against me.
Stupid AI favouritism
I was playing an epic game on a standard continents map, noble difficulty as Qin Shi Huang. Being alone on my continent, I was able to stay out of trouble for most of the game, except when Caesar in the early industrial era landed his paltry expedition of one cavalry unit to attack me.
Because Louis XIV was one of the first players to come into contact with me, I was able to cultivate quite favourable relations with him, and when I got to running Free Religion, the religious barriers for good relations came crashing down. Much later on, we even joined forces in wiping Caesar out.
Louis had friends on his home continent in Huayna Capac and to my absolute surprise Tokugawa, both of whom I was in turn able to cultivate favourable relations with.
Also on the other continent were this game's so-called axis of evil: Saladin, who had a fairly powerful empire in the northeast of the other continent, Caesar, whose situation was hopeless as his empire was hemmed into a medium-sized peninsular between Arabia and France on the eastern end of the continent, and Cyrus, whose situation was equally hopeless as he was eons behind in technology. He was also sandwiched between France and Arabia in the north west.
So in short, the world was divided into two alliances. One with me, Louis, Capac and Tokugawa. The other with Caesar, Saladin and Cyrus. I build the United Nations and hold the Secretary General elections, and I run for secretary general against Saladin. Naturally, I win the election, having more allies than Saladin, and those allies individually had more votes than Caesar and Cyrus.
But the next elections, I'm running against Louis. Naturally, in an election between myself and Louis, Saladin, Caesar and Cyrus abstained, not liking either choice. But Tokugawa and Capac voted for Louis three times before I took away the game in a space race victory. In the latter two elections of the game, Caesar wasn't around to vote, but he would have abstained anyway.
So I ask this, so I can consider this in future games that go long enough that the United Nations plays a role. Just how do you convince the AI to vote for you in the UN elections? Especially when the choice is between you and another ally.
All the tricks I used in Civ III (such as gifting techs and resources) to get on 'gracious' terms and earn the votes to win Diplomatic victories are proving ineffective. Its clear to me that there may be no quick fix. I've behaved honourably, remained loyal to my allies, at the very least, cold and unreceptive toward my ally's enemies and I still can't get anyone to vote for me when another ally is running against me.
Stupid AI favouritism
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